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Old 02-20-2009 | 07:13 PM
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At your airline, who calls out the Missed Approach Point when it is reached? I never really paid much attention to all of this until I started teaching a class regarding this stuff. At SkyWest, the Non-Flying Pilot does it and I am curious as to who is looking for the runway??? I can't even remember the last time I did one, and have never done one to minimums unless it is in the sim.

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Old 02-20-2009 | 07:34 PM
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I do believe the PNF is the one watching for lights and/or runway environment, cuz the PF is supposed to be flying the plane, right? Okay, I know, I'm a smart #ss!
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Old 02-20-2009 | 07:44 PM
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Old 02-20-2009 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Koolaidman
At your airline, who calls out the Missed Approach Point when it is reached? I never really paid much attention to all of this until I started teaching a class regarding this stuff. At SkyWest, the Non-Flying Pilot does it and I am curious as to who is looking for the runway??? I can't even remember the last time I did one, and have never done one to minimums unless it is in the sim.

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Comair has NFP outside for non-precision approaches.

FP is inside flying the needles.
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Old 02-20-2009 | 08:11 PM
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Pilot not flying/Monitoring is looking for the lights/runway. Pilot Flying will call mins or missed approach point.
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Old 02-20-2009 | 08:15 PM
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That is the way we have it on the ILS, but not the Non-precision. They started using ONLY CANPA's and took the Non-precision out of the SOP completely. Then they realized that some airports it wasn't a good idea to use CANPA's so they re-instated the basic, non-precision approach. Having the NFP call "Missed Approach Point" has go to be a typo. Thanks for the responses.
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Old 02-20-2009 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Koolaidman
At your airline, who calls out the Missed Approach Point when it is reached?
K-man,

Here on the B757/767 at UPS the Pilot Monitoring calls out "Minimums" to which the Pilot Flying responds with either "Landing, Continuing or Go-Around." Upon reaching the Missed Approach Point the Pilot Monitoring calls out "Missed Approach/No Runway." The Pilot Flying responds with "Go-Around." This is right out of our AOM.

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Old 02-20-2009 | 10:30 PM
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Here on the B757/767 at UPS the Pilot Monitoring calls out "Minimums" to which the Pilot Flying responds with either "Landing, Continuing or Go-Around." Upon reaching the Missed Approach Point the Pilot Monitoring calls out "Missed Approach/No Runway." The Pilot Flying responds with "Go-Around." This is right out of our AOM.

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With a few verbiage changes ditto at JB. The only time its an issue for us though is in the sim during AQP recurrents. I have never done one on the line down to even MVFR.
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Old 02-20-2009 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Comair has NFP outside for non-precision approaches.
By that, I mean the NFP is looking outside and will make one of the following calls:

1) Go visual
2) Approach lights continue (to be followed by 1 or 3)
3) Go missed

Of course either guy can call missed approach for any reason, but in a textbook non-precision approach it will be the NFP.
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Old 02-20-2009 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wizepilot
I do believe the PNF is the one watching for lights and/or runway environment, cuz the PF is supposed to be flying the plane, right? Okay, I know, I'm a smart #ss!
Somehow I've mananged to do both at the same time

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