candy apples and razor blades... keep hope alive whiskey alpha :p still waiting on my C402 ride.

possibly the best thread to hit APC
 

I have been reading APC consistently everyday for about 1 year. This truly is the best thread. I could not agree more with the original post in this thread. Of all of the members of airlinepilotcentral, there has to be someone who knows what steps to take to get some serious attention into the media via 60 minutes 20/20 dateline etc. Things will not get better until people ACTUALLY MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. I personally am willilng to do WHATEVER I can to make this (quote me) CAREER:rolleyes: not job should be. please pm with info.

As far as getting bad attention through media I do think there could be some short time bad effects on the industry although long term benefits completely outway negative side effects.

Plain and simple parents that are sending their kids to college to spend 80 grand on a degree and flight training have NO IDEA whatsoever that their "wonderchild" will simply be in the weakest position financially after leaving college until they hit 35 if that.. College recruiters do NOT mention 121 regional QOL, pay, Duty time, etc at all. This could help out with the supply demand portion :D.

I envision the news story now. Following 121 regional crews on a typical week, filming QOL, food eaten, rest, legs flown a day, duty times Wx etc. Maintenance issues (no reading maxum in the cockpit for one week please). Find the homes of the outlandish CEO film the mansion, the private yacht, the club memberships. Then follow the highly educated, highly invested, highly intelligent (sometimes), highly skilled (sometimes) FO to the crash pad, or the one bedroom apartment, or to the UNemloyment office or follow him/her collecting food stamps with his 4 year old son crying his eyes out.

I had no idea of the career QOL pay or sacrifices made by a "career" pilot while getting into the industry. Funny what the "general public" thinks about pilots because guess what i was the general public coming into the career thinking about money, great lifestyle, flying, traveling etc. For those of you who want to bash this realize I was 19 at the time. Not too many of us are educated in absolutely anything at that age.
I do feel i have amfar into it now to change although very much considering.

The only thing I forsee changing this horrible horrible horrible industry in governmental regulation. I have multiple pilot friends leaving to ATC jobs and it just makes perfect sense. Someone please tell me that ATC (doesnt even require a degree) makes 60K year, great bene's etc has more at stake than actually flying the craft?
I am not here to bash someone else's career, I just do not understand how a pilot is the most undercomsuerated career I have yet to see.

WE have got to make a change. Regulated 121 could be the sole answer. 1970s regulated aviation boomed. 1970s Pilot career=excellent choice. 2000s = You can't afford to live, and if you can your not home to do it.

I was in the automotive industry 5 years prior. What a smack in the face. Aviation = you dont get paid to work, people work for free, No life, sacrifice everything you have, heart soul, money, time, just to fly some crappy aircraft for crappy pay.

If getting the media involved sounds like a bad idea to you, I really dont even know how to answer back to that except for the fact that you may be brainwashed into complete numbess about reality. I do respect everyone's each and individual opinion either way. I do not write posts often, but I have been wanting to start a thread for months on this topic and its time CHANGE happens

TO all you that follow CHEERS. Its now time to get to work on this issue. Talk to your fellow friends, tell them , somebody knows somebody, that knows somebody and get something started. APC is a big enough community there should be a wealth of knowledge on dealing with an issue like this. Damn celebrities make up HEADLINE national news and there needs to be some REAL news on the news for once.

PEACE

It seems you think they're going to give you editorial control. In your fantasy world the media is a crusader for your cause and the public scrutiny will only effect positive change that benefits everybody. As for following crews around it's been done before. A few years back one of the news magazine shows followed a turboprop crew around for a 14 hour duty day, the overall message was the rules are just fine the way they are. You guys are extremely naive if you think the news media is your friend.

Do It.......The PA that is. Tell it like it is. At the very least you might get a thank you.

for someone that doesnt have a dog in this fight your certainly doing a spectacular job of keeping track of peoples posts and picking them apart.

I beg your pardon. I actually had steak and lobster the other night!!!!

Okay so I had to take out a loan to do it. :p




Yeah I totally agree with the first post, and with several other great posts. One way we could get the ball rolling is to WORK TOGETHER, and actually SUPPORT each other at EVERY REGIONAL. No more of this BS Shuttle America/Republic saying "Oh, that's just Mesa... we're so much better than them... let's just squash them. Who cares about those guys anyways?" Stuff like this has to stop, and it's between all regional airlines. It's so stupid. If we all BAND TOGETHER and get on the SAME PAGE, we could really start to change things together.

All this animosity really just hurts us in the end. My jumpseat is open to ANYONE, and if you are going through a rough time, or are too broke to eat. I'd be glad to buy you lunch or dinner and offer any support I could. We need to start taking care of each other, and looking out for one another. Seriously.

looks like we're not alone in our thoughts...

Sullenberger's copilot Jeffrey B. Skiles said unless federal laws are revised to improve labor-management relations "experienced crews in the cockpit will be a thing of the past." And Sullenberger added that without experienced pilots "we will see negative consequences to the flying public."

I realize our situation is slighty different but definitely along the same lines. this is sad but true...

The reduced compensation has placed "pilots and their families in an untenable financial situation," Sullenberger said. "I do not know a single, professional airline pilot who wants his or her children to follow in their footsteps."

I'm just calling it as I see it.

HA! Now THAT is funny!! Where have you been the last 10 years? Mainline is really doing well, aren't we? I make half what I made in 2002, have lost my pension, and we are literally half the size we were 10 years ago. Oh, while our flying is going to be down 15% this year alone, our regional feed us going to be UP 8%! Get over yourself and see the bigger picture.

When I was at the regionals, the RJ was just starting to be developed. It made me SICK to think that we were going to be getting that plane, because it just meant longer for me to be stuck in it. If I were starting in the business today, and saw that for more and more people the regionals were a "career", I simply would have gone the other way.

sorry hoss, get over yourself... ALPA is using our money (of which we make far less than you even with your cuts) to help you and spending zero attention on us. id being willing to bet youre okay with that... because youve paid your dues right?

by the way this is further proof that ALPA is worthless given the decline of your working conditions.