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block30 02-26-2009 02:16 PM

Are we just going to sit here and take this?!
 
No! Parts of this article are crap and enough is enough! Write to this author!

By playing up the age and big plane vs. small plane issues Joe Brancatelli is just playing to the lowest, dumbest plublic common denominator.

Yeah, drive more America, because statisically, it's way more dangerous, but 20 to 25 year old children are one of the crewmembers! Oh no!

Instead of using his piece to use public leverage to improve regional ("commuter") pilots' relations to parent companies the article tramples the graves of two of our fellow aviators (in my opinion).

Further the piece insults anyone flying professionally who is
1) young in age

2) is/was regional affiliated

3) recently upgraded; "but he'd only been in command of a Q400 since last December"

4) or non military; "When I got out of the Navy, I had 1,800 hours of experience before I even got into commercial aviation" "a reality celebrated last month when 58-year-old Chesley Sullenberger, an Air Force vet with..."

5) fill in the blank

If you feel like I do, follow the link at the bottom of the Washington Post article, and contact Joe Brancatelli and tell him respectfully and briefly what the truth is.

Basura!! (garbage!)

block30 02-26-2009 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by GrUpGrDn (Post 567775)
But do we apply make-up when flying?

What??

That doesn't make sense. I don't think that follows what I said. I'm saying that the other people driving and cell phoning, smoking, and generally being a meance to the driving public are dangerous. What are you saying??

The ignorance of the non-flying public is what astounds me. They need to be educated. And this talking-head, fan the hysteria fire, mouthpiece for the (dare I say), dumb, article is by and large horse apples.

The author does little to further anyone's cause but the bank accounts of himself and the publisher!

GrUpGrDn 02-26-2009 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 567781)
What??

That doesn't make sense. I don't think that follows what I said. I'm saying that the other people driving and cell phoning, smoking, and generally being a meance to the driving public are dangerous. What are you saying??

The ignorance of the non-flying public is what astounds me. They need to be educated. And this talking-head, fan the hysteria fire, mouthpiece for the (dare I say), dumb, article is by and large horse apples.

The author does little to further anyone's cause but the bank accounts of himself and the publisher!

driving while conversing on phone, smoking. maybe applying make-up is not a menace. when have you heard of or seen someone applying make-up while flying?

Lab Rat 02-26-2009 02:30 PM

Good, bad, or indifferent, this is the public's perception of regional airlines.

USMCFLYR 02-26-2009 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by oasis04 (Post 567700)
USMCflyr

By your estimation what is the avg. age and hr. total for your students when you punch them out of the frs?

Its been awhile but I seem to remember gettin nuggets into our squadron flyin Phrogs (HMM-162) with <500 hrs. Granted we had two pilots and a min crew of three, yet I would speculate that one of your Hornet drivers hits the fleet squadron with less than 1000 hrs total time. These pilots are often single pilot with dangerous stuff hangin from the wings and belly.

On average - I'd say they are 24-25 years old and have approximately 400 hrs of flight time. I base the age on a college graduate (22 y/o) and then 2-3 years through the pipeline to hit the fleet.

I base the flight hours on him having no prior flight experience and checking yesterday what a small sampling of our newest class of pilots have coming to the Hornet (250-280+) and then adding another 120 hours in the Hornet before hitting the fleet.

Now...those newly trained wingman hitting the fleet can be thrown RIGHT INTO a combat situation when they leave the FRS and find themselves sent to an already deployed squadron aboard USS Boat sitting in the Gulf flying OIF/OEF missions. They also are on someone's wing most of the time as you might imagine - but stranger things have happened. also - no one is on their wing when it is time for that night carrier approach with pitching decks and a dutch roll thrown in for good measure. What they are able to accomplish is amazing. My hat is off to them. Brave men and women are they.

USMCFLYR

2Co2Fur1EXwife 02-26-2009 02:33 PM

I thought it was a fairly accurate article.....

block30 02-26-2009 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by GrUpGrDn (Post 567788)
driving while conversing on phone, smoking. maybe applying make-up is not a menace. when have you heard of or seen someone applying make-up while flying?

Alright, now you are making zero sense. Next.

Lab Rat 02-26-2009 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 567792)
On average - I'd say they are 24-25 years old and have approximately 400 hrs of flight time. I base the age on a college graduate (22 y/o) and then 2-3 years through the pipeline to hit the fleet.

I base the flight hours on him having no prior flight experience and checking yesterday what a small sampling of our newest class of pilots have coming to the Hornet (250-280+) and then adding another 120 hours in the Hornet before hitting the fleet.

Now...those newly trained wingman hitting the fleet can be thrown RIGHT INTO a combat situation when they leave the FRS and find themselves sent to an already deployed squadron aboard USS Boat sitting in the Gulf flying OIF/OEF missions. They also are on someone's wing most of the time as you might imagine - but stranger things have happened. also - no one is on their wing when it is time for that night carrier approach with pitching decks and a dutch roll thrown in for good measure. What they are able to accomplish is amazing. My hat is off to them. Brave men and women are they.

USMCFLYR

USMC,

I came up the civilian route and thus have no idea how intense the military training is. However, I would venture to guess that 400 hours on the military side is a much different type of 400 hours than found on the civilian side. In other words, the quality of 400 hours in a military training program is probably different than a civilian's first 400 hours.

USMCFLYR 02-26-2009 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Lab Rat (Post 567803)
USMC,

I came up the civilian route and thus have no idea how intense the military training is. However, I would venture to guess that 400 hours on the military side is a much different type of 400 hours than found on the civilian side. In other words, the quality of 400 hours in a military training program is probably different than a civilian's first 400 hours.

I had around 400 hours of GA time and my ratings (except for any instructor rating) prior to coming to the military side. I will agree with you that the first 400 hours of my military training was different - more intense. I mean - bombing, dogfighting, low levels at 300-540kts at 200-500', or CARRIER QUALIFICATION - day and night!!!! Of course no civilian training is going to touch that extreme.

But I'll tell you what - - I'll put up a Commercial Pilot with instrument rating who is going for his CFI certification against that same freshly minted FRS aviator in the area of some basic aviation knowledge (pick any of the FAA writtens) and even the PPL would probably eat him alive!

Just remember this.....the airplane (in my community) is nothing more than a flying weapons system. We military pilots are NOT professional pilots. I don't get paid to fly. I get paid for being a Marine - flying is just what I do when Uncle Sam needs some attitudes readjusted ;) If I want someone to take off from an expeditionary airfield at night and conduct a self-escorted strike on NVGs; then I'll chose the military trained pilot. If I want someone to get me safely from DFW to LAX in IMC, then that 25 y/o, 1000 hr "child" is better suited to be flying my family around in an RJ anyday (as part of well trained and coordinated crew) - IMO.

USMCFLYR

TPROP4ever 02-26-2009 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by bryris (Post 567661)

This industry needs a huge cash infusion if there is any chance. Ticket prices must go up. And the family wearing wife beaters and fuzzy slippers onto the plane may not be able to go anymore.

This should be nominated for the quote of the week.....:D


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