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Airsupport 02-27-2009 12:50 PM

i think the main reason they want to bring compass into dal is so they can get even more regional jets flying around. the regional fleet is based on the amount of planes they have. bring in more and they can add more rjs. so now we will be forever stuck doing the delta shuffle.

JoeyMeatballs 02-27-2009 01:01 PM

Very good point ;)

Windsor 02-27-2009 02:15 PM

I was in class with 9E when Compass called me for an interview. I would have had to leave class to interview. I figured that it was not worth the hassle to leave a job i already had. Looking back on it, maby I should have left. I would have been a line holding CA by now instead of a rsv CA getting booted back to f/o. Either way, I have absolutly NO desire to ever fly for a mainline pax carrier. If they get stapled, great for them. If not, they knew what they were getting into.

Justdoinmyjob 02-27-2009 03:05 PM

You guys are missing the important thing here. This isn't a management idea. Management wants to keep them separate. This is a DALPA thing. DALPA , or more correctly, certain segments of the pilot group, want this. It is viewed as a first step in recapturing the outsourced flying and strenghening scope.

But why them and not Comair or Mesaba you ask? Well, for starters, we are talking about a very small, junior pilot group, that is incidentally already represented by DALPA, which will more readily accept a staple. And quite frankly, there is no bad blood. Sorry if that offends, but some memories run deep, even if the reasons why aren't completely true or you weren't part of it.

Again, this is viewed as a first step in recapturing the flying. Where it goes from there, or even if it happens, who knows.

EmbraerFlyer 02-27-2009 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 568577)
You guys are missing the important thing here. This isn't a management idea. Management wants to keep them separate. This is a DALPA thing. DALPA , or more correctly, certain segments of the pilot group, want this. It is viewed as a first step in recapturing the outsourced flying and strenghening scope.

But why them and not Comair or Mesaba you ask? Well, for starters, we are talking about a very small, junior pilot group, that is incidentally already represented by DALPA, which will more readily accept a staple. And quite frankly, there is no bad blood. Sorry if that offends, but some memories run deep, even if the reasons why aren't completely true or you weren't part of it.

Again, this is viewed as a first step in recapturing the flying. Where it goes from there, or even if it happens, who knows.

To add to this, it wouldnt make sense to petition to get Compass, Mesaba, and Comair stapled or added to the mainline list all at once.. We dont know if this will even work with Compass, but its a start.

chuck h 02-27-2009 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 568472)
i think the main reason they want to bring compass into dal is so they can get even more regional jets flying around. the regional fleet is based on the amount of planes they have. bring in more and they can add more rjs. so now we will be forever stuck doing the delta shuffle.

I don't think anybody at mainline Delta wants that so they can add more RJ's, the point is to bring that large of an RJ to the mainline property so any further additions are with mainline pilots. This is not a Delta corporate thing, this is a pilot movement started by members of DALPA. As for Comair, the addition of the 50 seat jet is not of interest to most of the mainline guys, most of us are concerned with the outsourcing of DC9 flying with large RJ's.

DMBFAN 02-27-2009 05:40 PM

Someboday had mentioned something about only making it through the regional interview and that Delta wants more control over who they hire, well the compass interview was the same interview as northwest's.

It was conducted by senior nwa pilots and a compass hr rep. My buddy, who works for nwa, and I compared the interview process and they were identical, for whatever thats worth.

Oh well, my luck compass will be sold off just like mid atlantic was and I will be furloughed again.:(

Eck4Life 02-28-2009 01:18 AM


Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 568548)
I was in class with 9E when Compass called me for an interview. I would have had to leave class to interview. I figured that it was not worth the hassle to leave a job i already had. Looking back on it, maby I should have left. I would have been a line holding CA by now instead of a rsv CA getting booted back to f/o. Either way, I have absolutly NO desire to ever fly for a mainline pax carrier. If they get stapled, great for them. If not, they knew what they were getting into.

You're right, why do the same job for more money and better benefits? Makes sense to me. :confused: To each their own, but I'm having trouble deciphering this statement. Assuming you don't have 20 years invested at your respective regional and you aren't 55 years old, why would one feel this way? I've done the regional thing for quite some time in the past and let me be the first to admit it is a whole different ball game. I would guess that you LOVE being captain if you know what I mean. Once some get a taste of it, they have a hard time putting a monetary value on it because otherwise they seem to be ignoring basic math and numbers don't lie. That or they have a few skeletons in the closet. Those that can, do.

atpwannabe 02-28-2009 02:44 AM


Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 568548)
I was in class with 9E when Compass called me for an interview. I would have had to leave class to interview. I figured that it was not worth the hassle to leave a job i already had. Looking back on it, maby I should have left. I would have been a line holding CA by now instead of a rsv CA getting booted back to f/o. Either way, I have absolutly NO desire to ever fly for a mainline pax carrier. If they get stapled, great for them. If not, they knew what they were getting into.


I've had the same thoughts as well. I'm 47 and just started my training. Sure, I'd love to eventually fly for Delta, FedEx, Netjets or UPSCO, but given all the "assumed" barriers to even be in a position to meet/exceed their minimums and the fact that so many other pilots are considered to be ahead of me in terms of experience; not to mention the turndown in hiring; and with possiblity of only having 15 years on the flightdeck being at regional doesn't look so bad.

For some EcK4life, the regionals may be the best option...schedule, QOL, choice of a/c, etc.



atp

Windsor 02-28-2009 05:20 AM

Not everyone wants to fly pax. I guess I should have made no PAX big and bold. I have never wanted to fly for a legacy. I would much rather fly boxes than people. Purple or Brown is where I want to be. Like i said, not everyone wants to fly for a mainline pax carrier. :cool:


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