110/130 Seat RJ's. SWEET
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I highly doubt that we'll ever see the CSeries fly at a regional. Bombardier has carefully been developing this aircraft from a fresh sheet, using the latest technologies, such as composite wings, the GTF, and the best aerodynamics possible for a transonic aircraft. It is optimized to fill a niche between the E195 and the smallest Airbuses and Boeings, replacing DC-9's, MD-80's, Fokker 100's, and perhaps 737's and A318/19's at some airlines. None of these aircraft have ever been flown at a regional in the U.S.
I'm actually a little surprised that Swiss will be using the CS100 to replace their Avro RJ100's, but it really does make sense, since it will have a slightly larger capacity, much better fuel efficiency, and the necessary performance to get in and out of London City and some of the more demanding airports in the Alps. Keep in mind too that for Swiss, the Avro RJ100 was flown as a mainline aircraft, not for a subsidiary.
I'm really excited that this will almost certainly fly since the Lufthansa deal is firm now. Hopefully the GTF's won't have too many teething problems.
Here are a couple of the latest computer generated images, as it should appear in production form with its composite wing and GTF's.




More info, included a bunch of pictures and specs, can be found on Bombardier's website for the CSeries.
I'm actually a little surprised that Swiss will be using the CS100 to replace their Avro RJ100's, but it really does make sense, since it will have a slightly larger capacity, much better fuel efficiency, and the necessary performance to get in and out of London City and some of the more demanding airports in the Alps. Keep in mind too that for Swiss, the Avro RJ100 was flown as a mainline aircraft, not for a subsidiary.
I'm really excited that this will almost certainly fly since the Lufthansa deal is firm now. Hopefully the GTF's won't have too many teething problems.
Here are a couple of the latest computer generated images, as it should appear in production form with its composite wing and GTF's.


More info, included a bunch of pictures and specs, can be found on Bombardier's website for the CSeries.
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Erm...they have. Perhaps you've seen these aircraft at your local airport...
B737-200/500 - 108-115 seats
A319 - 124 seats
DC-9-30 - 105-115 seats
The problem is that Airbus and Boeing haven't developed anything new in this market segment in 30 years. Its kind of the Honda Civic/Toyota Corolla segment of the industry. They sell tons of em, just don't make much money off em so why waste R&D dollars coming up with something new when your old, reliable models are still flying off the shelves.
B737-200/500 - 108-115 seats
A319 - 124 seats
DC-9-30 - 105-115 seats
The problem is that Airbus and Boeing haven't developed anything new in this market segment in 30 years. Its kind of the Honda Civic/Toyota Corolla segment of the industry. They sell tons of em, just don't make much money off em so why waste R&D dollars coming up with something new when your old, reliable models are still flying off the shelves.
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No, they haven't. Compare the price + fuel efficiency of a Boeing/Airbus to a E-190/195. It's like comparing a quality vehicle to a Kia and saying they're the same because they have the same seating capacity. Do you really think you're going to see Embraers lasting as long as DC-9s have? Lets not kid ourselves. These smaller aircraft manufacturers like Bombardier/Embraer make "throw-away planes". Cheap to buy, cheap to fly, and about as reliable as a junk yard korean car.
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I don't think there is a major pilot group out there that would allow 100+ seat aircraft to be flown by anyone other than mainline. Period. Call it a "regional jet" if you want, but I seriously doubt that there is a mainline pilot group arrogant enough and ignorant enough to allow these to be flown by the regionals. At least I hope not...
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well strictly speaking, 110 and 130 seat rj's are just right out (i hope someone gets the monty pyton joke)
before we get to saying where the line needs to be. i think that all "regional" pilots should understand that unless they REALLY like the lifestyle they should stick it out at there company.
for me, i believe that any single legs over 300 NM should be flown by mainline aircraft and aircrew. anything under that COULD be flown by a "regional" carrier. i think the shift that was made was from props to jets, (in the "regional" world really 3825'ed everything up for everyone.
before we get to saying where the line needs to be. i think that all "regional" pilots should understand that unless they REALLY like the lifestyle they should stick it out at there company.
for me, i believe that any single legs over 300 NM should be flown by mainline aircraft and aircrew. anything under that COULD be flown by a "regional" carrier. i think the shift that was made was from props to jets, (in the "regional" world really 3825'ed everything up for everyone.
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I predict within 10 years, it is 130 ft long, competing with the 3rd generation 737.
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