For what its worth guys, I have flown with Mesabah and there was nothing scarey about him. In fact I had no idea that he had less time on the CRJ than I or that he was younger than me. And from what I could tell it didn't matter. I do understand the point behind the "scarey" comment, but I highly doubt that any of us would find up it scarey to upgrade that young if we were all in his shoes. Just food for thought!

 

You and I don't know what or if any events occured prior to warrant such a flyer. I didn't take it as being treated like a child. Remember, it is company provided housing so they can make the rules. If you don't like it, go pay for a room yourself.

I saw the flyer as the company trying to protect itself from possible future problems. The rules posted on the flyer were similar to those I had in college (even more lenient) and while in the military.

 

I can't imagine anything going wrong on a CRJ that would put me in dire straits compared to any other more experienced pilot in the same position.

The only issues I've had so far involve the FA's that are much older than I am. If I am flying with an FO that is much older than me, a few of the older FA's tend to see the older pilot as the final authority.

 

I think pilots are missing an important step here between CFI and regional pilot. I saw another post on here from someone saying they learned how to fly the ILS into BUF at night with icing in a twin cessna full of bank checks. That is the missing step. You will learn more from operating part 135, at night, in the weather with poor equipment...all by yourself. There is no one else to hold your hand, autopilot or other crew member.

After spending a winter flying boxes around at night in the ice/snow to tiny uncontrolled airports in a twin turboprop /A (no gps/FMS or any other fancy gizmos), flying a regional aircraft two crew, with an autopilot, heated cockpit, etc would be a trip to heaven. And I would feel much more confident flying that larger regional aircraft than the CFI who just left the C-172 to slide into the CRJ-700.

Back when all the regionals were hiring I tried to get others to come play in the cargo world but they just turned up their noses and went to their airline jobs. I feel like they missed an important step that would have really forced them to get those good decision making experiences we are all speaking of.

P.S. Those regional pilots are now coming to me looking for a job.

 

This is exactly how I viewed that list. Unfortunate but something must have happened in the past to ellict such an approach; plus who knows what lawsuits they are trying to protect themselves from with a clearly defined set of rules.

I wish it was as simple as saying that everyone there is mature and a true professional and that there is no need for such a set of rules - but using this forum and the simple set of TOS that we have and seeing how many people blatantly violate that set or rules - is anyone truly surprised? Sorry - a little bit of moderation frustration sneaked out there.

USMCFLYR

 

Yes, This is the system that the industry has set up.

We purge experienced fairly paid pilots and replace them with freshly minted newbies from PAN Am Academy and All ATP's, who are wiling to work for next to nothing, while hoping for a grab at the golden ring.

We can beat the high time vs low time argument to death, but I think everyone will agree that overall, flight experience has value.

I have flown with some very sharp low time FO's who were ready for upgrade and some who made me roll my eyes but eventually all made very capable Captains.

An FO on a regional airliner should be making 60K a year.

 

Your kidding right ? What can go wrong, will go wrong.
Your crew problems will seem like a non-event. Good luck.

 

I meant no disrespect to Mesabah, in fact, I was only a year older than he when I first upgraded.

My primary concern (the thing I found scary) was with the combined level of experience. Seems that could lead to a lack of CLR (CRM). I was an LCA at the commuter I flew for so I know what it's like to fly with people with no time in type. But I had a lot of time when I did this, both total and in type.

Not too many transport category aircraft with single pilot type ratings.

 

Agreed but maybe if our respective companies wouldn't tell F/A's to say "Your flight is under the COMMAND of Capt. So and So and he is ASSISTED by F/O So and So" this concept wouldn't be so misunderstood.

 

The flight is under the COMMAND of the captain hence PIC (Pilot in Command) versus FO SIC (Second in command). I see what point you are making but there is nothing misleading about that FA announcement. It is not like they say "The person flying the airplane is the captain assisted by the FO who is trained to sit on his hands."