PSA Recalls.....Again
04-22-2009 | 04:43 PM
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JR was in today. Stated simply, 10 recalls were to replace upgraded Captains. The 8 others are to cover increase of flying. We will be flying our rears off and as of now, there are no more intentions of recalling any more. They are not going to do so, to furlough. Now again its JR so this could change tomorrow, but it does make sense. He also said of the 10 Upgrades, 9 have already failed upgrade training before. So from their stand point they are slightly hesitant on that, because they need them for Junes-August increase of flying. And they already know August flying will be decreased again.
Sorry dude, had too, all your posts are depressing for us on the outside
04-24-2009 | 02:38 AM
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During the upgrade process you can fail your first checkride. Then you retrain (usually the next day) and take another checkride. If you fail that, you are sent back to the line as an F/O for 6 months. You can then bid on any captain vacancies after 6 months. If you fail your next two checkrides you are done.
This happened to my sim partner in upgrade. He opted to go back to the line on his first attempt, after not getting recommended for the checkride. On the second time though (with me) he pinked twice.
This happened to my sim partner in upgrade. He opted to go back to the line on his first attempt, after not getting recommended for the checkride. On the second time though (with me) he pinked twice.
11.C.3
b. A pilot who fails his second checkride on his first attempt to qualify will return to his former position, if available. If unavailable, he will return by seniority to a position for which he is or has been qualified. If there is no such position, he will exercise his seniority to obtain any position systemwide. The pilot will not be allowed to bid another vacancy requiring training for a period of six (6) months. If he is unable to obtain any position by the process above, he will be given additional training and a third checkride. Failure of the third checkride will be dealt with at Company discretion.
c. Pilots withdrawing voluntarily from training at any time will be returned to the line in accordance with paragraph b., above.
d. The Company may elect not to treat a withdrawal for personal hardship reasons as an attempt to qualify.
e. Pilots entering training for a second attempt must demonstrate the required proficiency after completing training for the second time. Pilots demonstrating the required proficiency upon completion of training will be given at least two (2) opportunities to pass the proficiency check. A pilot who fails to qualify on his second attempt may be dealt with at Company discretion.
b. A pilot who fails his second checkride on his first attempt to qualify will return to his former position, if available. If unavailable, he will return by seniority to a position for which he is or has been qualified. If there is no such position, he will exercise his seniority to obtain any position systemwide. The pilot will not be allowed to bid another vacancy requiring training for a period of six (6) months. If he is unable to obtain any position by the process above, he will be given additional training and a third checkride. Failure of the third checkride will be dealt with at Company discretion.
c. Pilots withdrawing voluntarily from training at any time will be returned to the line in accordance with paragraph b., above.
d. The Company may elect not to treat a withdrawal for personal hardship reasons as an attempt to qualify.
e. Pilots entering training for a second attempt must demonstrate the required proficiency after completing training for the second time. Pilots demonstrating the required proficiency upon completion of training will be given at least two (2) opportunities to pass the proficiency check. A pilot who fails to qualify on his second attempt may be dealt with at Company discretion.
04-24-2009 | 07:16 AM
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From: BEECH 1900 PIC
During the upgrade process you can fail your first checkride. Then you retrain (usually the next day) and take another checkride. If you fail that, you are sent back to the line as an F/O for 6 months. You can then bid on any captain vacancies after 6 months. If you fail your next two checkrides you are done.
This happened to my sim partner in upgrade. He opted to go back to the line on his first attempt, after not getting recommended for the checkride. On the second time though (with me) he pinked twice.
This happened to my sim partner in upgrade. He opted to go back to the line on his first attempt, after not getting recommended for the checkride. On the second time though (with me) he pinked twice.
Thanks for clearing that up for us Nasa. Apparently the guy who has worked here less than a year doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. Maybe FO's in training status should focus on FO training?
04-24-2009 | 07:49 AM
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Nasa,
Do you really need to name names when it comes to who is responsible for pilots failing upgrade training and getting fired? Regardless of who is in charge, if you fail upgrade training twice, something is wrong. Please edit and remove that person's name from your post.
Do you really need to name names when it comes to who is responsible for pilots failing upgrade training and getting fired? Regardless of who is in charge, if you fail upgrade training twice, something is wrong. Please edit and remove that person's name from your post.
04-24-2009 | 09:45 AM
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Just trying to clear stuff up. FO's can focus on whatever they want.
Nasa,
Do you really need to name names when it comes to who is responsible for pilots failing upgrade training and getting fired? Regardless of who is in charge, if you fail upgrade training twice, something is wrong. Please edit and remove that person's name from your post.
Do you really need to name names when it comes to who is responsible for pilots failing upgrade training and getting fired? Regardless of who is in charge, if you fail upgrade training twice, something is wrong. Please edit and remove that person's name from your post.
04-24-2009 | 01:34 PM
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04-24-2009 | 02:03 PM
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Is that like being a good puppy? The union should be happy some of us aren't peeing on the carpet in the crew room.
04-25-2009 | 04:32 AM
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Lets work on your math.
First training attempt includes 2 checkrides.
Second training attempt also includes 2 checkrides.
2 checkrides + 2 checkrides = 4 checkrides or
1 training attempt + 1 more training attempt = 2 training attempts
Neither of these is a 3
04-25-2009 | 06:13 AM
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Regardless of how you look at it, you get your initial attempt that means you get two chances during that upgrade attempt. At which point you can accept 6 months later, and have your third attempt at passing your Captain Upgrade PC. So that would make a total of 3 attempts? I know its complex math, and many at PSA do not even have college degrees; but even without one you should be able to do that math.
04-25-2009 | 06:51 AM
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