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Old 05-01-2009 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
It would have been a good elective
Why? I already know how this stuff works... Every action by management/executive has one purpose in mind. Make the rich richer, and make sure the poor stays that way... And middle managements job is kind of the same - just make sure you take all of the credit for their peon's work so they remain a peon and don't commandeer their middle management job... Also it doesn't matter what you know, it's who you know, and where you started (how rich your parents were). This is how your position is determined. I don't need to **** away money on some scam course to learn that lesson... 4+ years in Corporate America has taught me this lesson time and time again.
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Old 05-01-2009 | 07:41 PM
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Why? I already know how this stuff works... Every action by management/executive has one purpose in mind. Make the rich richer, and make sure the poor stays that way... And middle managements job is kind of the same - just make sure you take all of the credit for their peon's work so they remain a peon and don't commandeer their middle management job... Also it doesn't matter what you know, it's who you know, and where you started (how rich your parents were). This is how your position is determined. I don't need to **** away money on some scam course to learn that lesson... 4+ years in Corporate America has taught me this lesson time and time again.
If you know all the answers then why start this thread? You know the pay going in. Ball is always in your court, stay or go.

And my position has been determined by hard work and due paying. Nothing to do with my parents wealth or lack of. My position is what I made it.
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Old 05-01-2009 | 08:07 PM
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Why? I already know how this stuff works... Every action by management/executive has one purpose in mind. Make the rich richer, and make sure the poor stays that way... And middle managements job is kind of the same - just make sure you take all of the credit for their peon's work so they remain a peon and don't commandeer their middle management job... Also it doesn't matter what you know, it's who you know, and where you started (how rich your parents were). This is how your position is determined. I don't need to **** away money on some scam course to learn that lesson... 4+ years in Corporate America has taught me this lesson time and time again.
You clearly have never been to a major university. I don't know where your aggression for colleges came from, but it is far off base. You have this preconceived notion that all university students come from ultra affluent families and sit around and count their money all day until daddy gets them a job. This could not be further from the truth. College students come from all economical, social and racial backgrounds. The majority of my college buddies paid for their school and came from regular middle class families. Of course Corporate America is all about who you know, but guess what so is every other industry. I got everyone of my construction jobs during school because I knew someone not because I was an ace with a hammer. If you do not like how corporate America is run then go get a college education (MBA) promote yourself through the ranks and change it the way you would like it. I did not come from a rich family in fact far from it, but every time things don't go my way I do not blame the wealthy. I have been fortunate to grow up in such a great country that I have been afforded the same opportunities as my rich friends. You need to stop rationalizing and pointing fingers at the wealthy last time I checked you were not a serf and they do not control any aspect of your life. You clearly have you mind set against college but in the end no matter how you rationalize it, you are only hurting your professional career.
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Old 05-01-2009 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan64456
Why? I already know how this stuff works... Every action by management/executive has one purpose in mind. Make the rich richer, and make sure the poor stays that way... And middle managements job is kind of the same - just make sure you take all of the credit for their peon's work so they remain a peon and don't commandeer their middle management job... Also it doesn't matter what you know, it's who you know, and where you started (how rich your parents were). This is how your position is determined. I don't need to **** away money on some scam course to learn that lesson... 4+ years in Corporate America has taught me this lesson time and time again.
I'd hate to live as the EFFECT of everything around me like you do. Why not step up to the plate and be at cause over your life? Don't hate the players, hate the game. We are all born on the starting line. What you do with your life is up to you. The rich are that way because they played the game differently then the poor. There is no such thing as entitlement. Wealth doesn't just exist. It is created and earned. One of the side effects of the free market system is that the workers do not enjoy the fruits - the owners do. So go be an owner.

The reality, again, is that people look after #1 first. If you get poor in the process, so be it. If you choose to work for someone, you are handing your life over to them. You'll get screwed in the end more than likely. YOUR PURPOSE IS TO SUIT YOURSELF, AS WELL. If you ran a company, you'd pay the minimum you could pay to your employees and still get the job done at the end of the day.

That is part of the divide in this country. There are those who own and those who do not. Those who own (and do well at it) take home the pork. Those who merely work for those who own will never reap the true rewards of their work. Its reality.

Unless you are loaded and can start your own airline, you'd better not be a pro pilot b/c you'll be condemned to "employee status" for your whole career. With I.T. (isn't that what you do?) you can actually create a business if you want to. Run correctly, you could lap most airline pilot salaries quite easily.
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Old 05-01-2009 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bryris
I'd hate to live as the EFFECT of everything around me like you do. Why not step up to the plate and be at cause over your life? Don't hate the players, hate the game. We are all born on the starting line. What you do with your life is up to you. The rich are that way because they played the game differently then the poor. There is no such thing as entitlement. Wealth doesn't just exist. It is created and earned. One of the side effects of the free market system is that the workers do not enjoy the fruits - the owners do. So go be an owner.

The reality, again, is that people look after #1 first. If you get poor in the process, so be it. If you choose to work for someone, you are handing your life over to them. You'll get screwed in the end more than likely. YOUR PURPOSE IS TO SUIT YOURSELF, AS WELL. If you ran a company, you'd pay the minimum you could pay to your employees and still get the job done at the end of the day.

That is part of the divide in this country. There are those who own and those who do not. Those who own (and do well at it) take home the pork. Those who merely work for those who own will never reap the true rewards of their work. Its reality.

Unless you are loaded and can start your own airline, you'd better not be a pro pilot b/c you'll be condemned to "employee status" for your whole career. With I.T. (isn't that what you do?) you can actually create a business if you want to. Run correctly, you could lap most airline pilot salaries quite easily.
Ownership isn't everything though. You can make money being a worker. The trick is knowing the right people. And many of us will never learn that trick.

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Old 05-01-2009 | 09:59 PM
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Because you are already willing to take the job at the poverty level. Simple supply and demand.
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Old 05-01-2009 | 10:34 PM
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I've been on a warpath lately... Things haven't been going well at work, or in my life... So I apologize to anyone I may have offended. I've enjoyed reading all of your responses and viewpoints tho, for what it's worth. I respect every one of you that listened to what I had to say and responding respectfully and accordingly.

When it comes down to it, money isn't that important to me. All I want to do is not have to work in an office anymore, fly, and make an OK living doing so. (A house maybe, a car, and a vacation once or twice a year...)

Our system is certainly not fair tho. Hard work does not equal better life. Neither does intelligence. I still stand by my opinion on that. Playing their game in an attempt to get to the top to try to change part of the rules would never work. They say more damage can be done from the inside, but I believe that more damage can be done from the outside as long as you have like minded people with you throwing the rocks. Most of this country is just sleepwalking their way thru life, and living in their suburban fantasy world created in their heads accepting whatever shaft is forced upon them without question.
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Old 05-02-2009 | 08:07 AM
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You clearly have never been to a major university. I don't know where your aggression for colleges came from, but it is far off base. You have this preconceived notion that all university students come from ultra affluent families and sit around and count their money all day until daddy gets them a job. This could not be further from the truth. College students come from all economical, social and racial backgrounds. The majority of my college buddies paid for their school and came from regular middle class families. Of course Corporate America is all about who you know, but guess what so is every other industry. I got everyone of my construction jobs during school because I knew someone not because I was an ace with a hammer. If you do not like how corporate America is run then go get a college education (MBA) promote yourself through the ranks and change it the way you would like it. I did not come from a rich family in fact far from it, but every time things don't go my way I do not blame the wealthy. I have been fortunate to grow up in such a great country that I have been afforded the same opportunities as my rich friends. You need to stop rationalizing and pointing fingers at the wealthy last time I checked you were not a serf and they do not control any aspect of your life. You clearly have you mind set against college but in the end no matter how you rationalize it, you are only hurting your professional career.
In this "great" country, people do NOT have equal opportunity. Ask the kids attending (or dropping out of) Chester High in PA, or any public high school in North Philly, or Harlem. It's the ghetto. I can GUARENTEE you they don't have their choice of what prestigious university they want to attend at their feet. But you get all fat and happy because you had the choice as the American dream would advertise, but you forget about the rest of the world (or country) that is less fortunate. Some people grow up not even knowing what a University is.
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Old 05-02-2009 | 08:10 AM
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Answered my own question when I re-read it in my email... this can be deleted.. thx

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Old 05-02-2009 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan64456
In this "great" country, people do NOT have equal opportunity. Ask the kids attending (or dropping out of) Chester High in PA, or any public high school in North Philly, or Harlem. It's the ghetto. I can GUARENTEE you they don't have their choice of what prestigious university they want to attend at their feet. But you get all fat and happy because you had the choice as the American dream would advertise, but you forget about the rest of the world (or country) that is less fortunate. Some people grow up not even knowing what a University is.

In the lottery, everyone has the same opportunity to choose the winning numbers. To my knowledge, there has never been a person who won the megga millions more than once.

In poker tournaments, each player starts with the same number of chips. Each player has the same opportunity. Yet, year in and year out, 20-30 folks take the lion's share of the winnings. A few have won the more than one World Series bracelet.



In my experience as a high school teacher (in a less than savory district), I saw some dirt poor kids do pretty well. I agree, none had to choose which ivy league school to attend, but those who fought for it, found a way to a trade school, community college, or the local state university. I don't believe any of them are hanging out with the Hiltons, but many improved their stature.

It is unrealistic to think that anyone of us can go from dirt poor to Rockefeller rich.... just because we are "above average". But with hard work, cultivating the right contacts, and making fewer dumb choices, each of us can improve our life.
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