This thread is getting comical now beyond it's use. By the way did everyone get the email from the MEC about the yea or nay vote on the strike? Should be interesting now in Hulas land.

Yes, I think it'll get interesting. I feel there won't be any issues with the junior pilots, but the pilots that are senior and close to retiring might make it interesting when the time comes to vote.

To bad pilots that are furloughed can't vote :(.

It was 849...it was SN-002. Yes it was a testbed. Yes it was chopped up many times and welded back together. It's been returned to the lessor and no longer on property. Along with 850 SN-003, which has also been returned, I think it had a similar history.

I'm actually happy to know that I've flown a piece of history! :p

That would explain why the damn thing was always so crooked... (I just thought hulas had rubbed off on it)

I think there are too few selfish guys senior guys on property to make much of a difference. We might get 98% instead of a 100% authorization this time. Either way, its going to be a big eff you to management.

I agree, it does suck that the furloughed guys can't vote.

My "unofficial" vote is "in favor." Write that down. :cool:

I for one agree with Captain Carl :).

All we need is a "in favor" vote. We need all Waterskiers to fill out their ballots, and make sure you have your voter credentials, and a VIN and PIN code to cast a ballot.

Lets Get Er Done.

Not that it matters because they know the furloughed guys would be in favor of a strike.

Gotta wonder about this one. The wire cut to stop the warninig but the computer is still putting out the warning. With the computer thinking that the fuel level is low....how could you get a "Take-off Okay" message? :cool:

You get the "Takeoff OK" with 1 engine running too(or no engines for that matter), the only thing that button checks is Flaps, trim, spoilers, parking brake.

Hi!

The Falcon 20s I flew were limited to FL350. I flew one long-range cruise from YIP-ELP and we were down to .56 at altitude for best range. A lot of them would not make it to .74 with max continuous.

Very slow...

cliff
NBO

I'd never thought a Falcon could get in the way of a CE-500......

You have to cut them some slack. Their systems class isn't as ridiculously in depth as AMR's was/is. Yes, they do learn how to fly the plane, and how most systems work.... but that how to build it stuff, and how it interacts and works together crap is reserved for Sky Nazi school.... or in your case Junior Sky Nazi school. End result is don't expect to see them coming online as fast as you guys thought. The mx issues are much more in depth than were anticipated, and the FSDO has launched an investigation.

Between the upcomming maintenance issue, and the soon to happen strike vote, I hope people plan on shorting the stock, and not going long.

Are you serious with this? Are you really going to judge the sytems knowledge of an entire pilot group by some random post on APC? I'm pretty sure our system's manual is just as thick as yours and yeah, Eagle's lil interactive cockpit program is on the internet.

I'd be willing to put the systems knowledge of most of our captains up against most at Eagle. Waterskiers deal with more DMI's and MX safety issues before upgrade than most 15 yr captains at Eagle.

Our systems knowledge is strong just out of necessity of self-preservation.

You attack another for belittling your pilots aircraft knowledge and then turn around and commit the very same transgression.

That bumps you down to a "D-" for both oblectivity and credibility.

As a 20 year captain for Eagle, the claim that your 3 year F/O's have more system knowledge then myself or other senior Eagle captains is baseless propwash. I'll assume it was just thoughtless emotion and misguided youth.

One thing is becoming increasingly obvious.........TSA maintenance is illegal and dangerous and TSA should be shutdown until the flying public's safety can be reasonable assured.

All hail the mighty Eagle. Safest, bestest regional out there with the most incredible pilots on Earth.

http://media.myfoxboston.com/images/...irlines500.jpg

They're so good they don't need the stinking gear.

I'll also assume that you know how to read and if you take the chance to re-read my post, I didn't say that at all. I'll sum it up for you to save you the time.

1) Our captains have just as much, if not more, systems knowledge as yours.
2) We deal with many more systems related issues on a daily basis due to our MX than you do.

You can put 1 and 2 together in a blender and come out with your above quote, but that's not what I said. Also, I did not belittle anyone. I just said our captains are on par with yours from a knowledge standpoint because we NEED to be.

Priceless.

Was that thud I heard someone being thrown off their high horse?

Unless you guys at TSA have different E-145's, the Takeoff config Warning only looks at Parking Brake, Flaps, Spoilers, and Trim. Stay in the books.

Very insightful! Sorry though, someone beat you to it at the top of the page.

Is that a fact ?

Crapola.

OK Mr. Wizard, please show us the quantifiable data that supports your assertion in point #1.

The fact is son, that there is no way to say any one particular pilot group has more "knowledge" then another for that is not quantifiable and the above is simply ASSUMPTION on your part based on erronous belief.

To elaborate further regarding claim #2, it is also an erronous ASSUMPTION because it is based on the hypothisis that more maintenance write-ups or malfunctions implies more system knowledege. There is no correlation between that. By that same twisted logic, I could say Eagle captains have more "system knowledge" then AA or UAL pilots because WE have more systems related issues on a daily basis then they do, implying our maintenance is sub to theirs.......which is the argument you appear to hinging your erronous assumption on (that your captains are superior in system knowledge because of TSA's slipshod maintenance).

That isn't true either (although it does appear TSA has slipshod maintenance).

The only thing in a blender is the logic you're using to substantiate your misguided claims.

1) This is a stupid thread that is getting worse!

2) Calling someone "son" doesn't make you cool.

The thread was about TSA's slipshod maintenance and the situation it's placing Eagle pilots in. All this "systems" malarkey shouldn't have been here in the first place.

It appears you're offended by the phrase "son", although since it wasn't directed at you, I don't know why.

Are you one ?

I could sure use a lesson in how to be "cool". Should I start saying "dude", "bro", "knarley" or "righteous" alot ?

It would be most excellent.

:D

That's the one, keep using that!

What position exactly is it placing Eagel pilots in?

It's not like they won't be taken care of before they are out on the line, so what's the worry?

You're right, I'm sorry. I did not realize that I was not allowed to have an opinion. I'm only allowed to state facts. :rolleyes:

Mason32 was the person who made a claim about an entire pilot group having less systems knowledge than another. (AE>TSA)

What I did was try to give a (very good) reason why this may not be the case. Try to follow, Grampa! :)

1) Our planes are not kept like yours...a claim that you've already substantiated.
2) Our planes carry more DMI's than yours...ok, there is no possible way for me to give you exact numbers but this is a very reasonable assumption.
3) In order for a captain to determine if an aircraft is safe to fly or not, they have to know the systems that are affected by each DMI, how they will be affected, and what changes will have to be made to how the flight will be conducted....sorry, I'm furloughed, so I don't have a GOM to show where it says a Captain must review all DMI's.

You're really caught up on me making assumptions, but these are reasonable assumptions based in reality.

4) Nearly every aircraft in the fleet carries at least one DMI, sometimes up to 12 <-reasonable assumption. Before signing for the aircraft, a Captain must review these DMI's for safety. Therefore, our captains MUST have solid systems knowledge because they need to use that knowledge on a flight by flight basis.

I never said that TSA was better than AE or that our pilots were better. I just said that the claim that Mason32 made that our pilots were weak at systems was basisless.

No.........apparently several crews have had some issues with these aircraft doing crazy things.

Tit for tat flamebait, bashing, and name calling. Please keep the dialogue respectable in the future. Thread closed.