Eagle/TSA Jets Failing Inspections
 

Read today on another board that the AMR jets that were leased to TSA, and have since been returned to Eagle are failing inpections left and right. Supposedly, AD's had been pencil whipped and were out of compliance for very long periods of time.... meaning TSA flew pax in unairworthy aircraft.

Reportedly three FAA inspectors are under scrutiny, and that the "inpsectors" were former TSA employees.

Anybody with more detail or facts?

Plausible...

It does not come as a surprise at all. I thought dmi stickers were standard in the cockpit until I flew at my new job. Now I might see 1 per week, and almost never more than 1 on any aircraft at a time. Trans States even got some bs award from the FAA for maintenance back in 03 or something. When I mentioned it in the interview RZ laughed. I never understood that until I flew for them. What a joke.

The "award" TSA brags about isn't an award. It's just a certificate for attending a conference on MX once per year.

Doesn't surprise me a bit.

I thought eagles mechs were camped out in tsa hangars?. Wouldn't it make sense for them to run through the aircraft before they got it back on property.

They do. They have 45 days to complete a C-check before they enter service. I tell you what, our MX folks kick a**!

The feds were crawling all over the hangar at STL before those planes went back. They were hanging out there during overnight mx ops and everything. The STL mx guys aren't dumb. They wouldn't do anything to put their own certs on the line. However, if they got this stuff past the feds in the hangar, its the feds heads that are gonna roll.

Exactly. So any problems are fixed on the tsa dime. The poster of this thread is implying eagle had the aircraft on property before discovering maintenance issues. That is what I had trouble believing. … now do I think our boyz did any pencil whipping …
:rolleyes:

Wouldn't be the first time TSA's been popped for pencil whipping. I seem to remember GoJet having a couple unmet AD's and an undocumented engine change about a year ago.

But that's a different company...

I don't think so. I was a prior 14 year AF Crew Chief and I've spent sometime w/the guys over at ABL. I think they're doing the best that they can with what they're working with. I don't think they can find eveything, but we have to remember, an airplane is an airplane.

We used to get brand new F-15's from the factory with a few hours on them. They would sit broke for weeks waiting on parts! A couple would get hangar queen status.

Well I mean there was that ONE ERJ that had the little tail-strike-a-rino thing-a-majig right?

Tail strike?...you can DMI that.

Would those be the same Feds that were former TSA mechanics that are now in trouble for overlooking pencil whipped AD's resulting in TSA flying AMR passengers in AC that were technically unairworthy....

Definitely possible...

Shoot, if TSA could, they would :D

If its true, then the people that manage TSA and work for them are a bunch of idiots. If I where flying for them and knew they made me fly a plane that was unairworthy I would send in my resignation right then and there. Did people not learn anything from the Alaska Airlines MD-80 crash?

You better watch out on who you're calling an idiot mister!!:mad: There are a lot of pilots that fly for TSA that are excellent pilots, and would not put their certificates on the line just to please good old Hulas.

Now I'm not sure when it comes to AD's to see if the AD's have been complied with or not. They don't carry the records in the damn airplane, and we don't have time to check if those AD's have been checked. Oh ya, you probably don't have any 121 experience; 20 minute quick turn, writing up an MEL, dealing with passengers, have a gate agent griping at you to see if you are ready to board...... Before you call someone an idiot BUDDY make sure you put yourself in their shoes instead of farting around the skies in your DA-20 :mad:

We know that maintenance can screw up so that's why we do that walk around to see if there are any loose ends floating around. Also, we know that they can mess up on paperwork. You know how many times I've seen an improperly MEL'D item written in the Log Can? We always double check the books to make sure that the item is legally written correctly so we can save our butts.

I guess all the pilots at Southwest and American MD-80 drivers should resign right now too. Remember those aircraft getting grounded for missed inspections?

For somebody that has no experience in this industry you sure do seem to have all the answers.

Another good point is if you have the balls to say something, you better have the BALLS to back it up.

I am not surprised one bit...






I have friends that work at Horizon that say the same thing about the Q400. Brand new and broke from the factory because Bombardier does not believe in QC for that program.

Qual... Qualit... Quality... Co... Cont... Control... ? What's that?

Yup....they're airplanes.

from what I heard, tsa was to return those planes as is... Like we recieved them.

I.E. almost brand new.

Has any one read the May issue of Aviation International News yet?

Nope...but do share!

I highly doubt Trans States got them with duct tape err...speed-tape holding them wings on ;)

Just wanted to see if you are better at reading between the lines then me on the interview with RL. Nothing indicated to me that any good news was on the way.

Not defending the name calling, but I wouldn't exactly say flying a Falcon 20 is "farting around." It goes a bit faster and higher than .78 and 370.

You've got it easy in the 121 world. Not a big deal to delay a departure to ensure all of the DMIs are complied with after having multiple MX items performed and deffered on a hub turn.

Nothing is suprising from Hulas and the TSA Holding monkeys!!

Cheers,
PtP

Who's trying to say 121 is more difficult than corporate DA-20?? This is the easiest job above the planet!

The poster you guys are arguing over isn't flying a Falcon 20. He's working on his instrument in a Diamond Katana. Also known as a DA-20.

Whoops. Just saw that one post and opened my mouth too wide LoL thanks for clearing that up :D

Back to the origional post.....Those jets are leaving Eagle MX in better shape than they were going in. In the AF, we had our bad eggs in MX just like in the civilian world. Take it from someone who's done both fix and fly; you can't fix everything.

No you wouldn't.

:D COUGH*Nubbin*COUGH ;)

Ive got a song stuck in my head, it is kinda like a stuck record. I think the words are "Same ole story, same ole song and dance":rolleyes:

Not quite!!! Those planes were among the first 50 or so EMB-145's off the line.

If I remember correctly, I think 806 started it's life as a 135, then a 140, then finally a 145. Not sure if that's the correct tail number, but I know one of the planes there was a test bed for Embraer.

I don't think you can go between a 135 and 145 without a major structure change. A 140 is a 135 and size wise is in between the two. Jet 600 was eagles first (now 600BP). Before it was delivered, it had a Brazilian registration.

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