I'll be the first one to admit this is a complete disregard for safety on behalf of the Feds, no one should be subject to such abuse, that's just not right....

Lets not make this into a ****ing contest. Yes... both are trying, but I think we will all agree the time between landing and the next takeoff is the more tiring and stressful than sitting in cruise chatting with your partner. Also its a well, medically, documented fact that the increased noise and vibration in a turboprop = more fatigue. Now with that being said, every regional pilot is exposed to fatigue on a regular basis, no matter what you fly.

Exactly, not trying to play "who's better" but time in cruise flight with the FMS charting the flight is not want I would really call "tiresome."

More legs= more time low in the heat and wx, increased workload in terminal environment, taxi..wait...taxi...wait, etc.

I would rather fly 8 hours on our "long legs" (1.5 block) than 6 hours on short legs and the 8 flights it takes to do them.

Again, not a contest but it is only at cruise do I get to kick back and relax, too bad in a prop that is for only about 20 minutes.

Well if it's the time between flights that's tiring and stressful, I guess I can consider myself lucky that we do mostly 10 minute turns. It's so joyous figuring out performance and routing out of an airport while you're still inbound to that airport. More on topic though, I think the worst thing about the rest requirements is that I pretty much can't understand anything about them. Nobody around here ever knows they have a 34 hour problem unless scheduling calls and tells them so. I guess maybe I should be calculating that while I'm up in the air as well. All the while I'm paranoid as hell that the feds are gonna bust me for some paperwork issue that doesn't even pertain to safety in any way. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I have a job but there need to be some changes made in this industry and I don't see those changes happening any time soon, if ever.

It sure looks easy for this Roger Cohen clown to sit in his comfortable conference room and claim that no one should under any circumstances come to work tired.

Hey Rog when was the last time you had to deal with CDO's, reduced rest overnights, sitting ready reserve for hours on end, or any number of other torture methods in Crew Scheduling's little toolbox?

Thanks that's what I thought. Until then quit talking out your ass!!

What a D-bag! He had nothing to say when she raised the 20k/yr issue. Clearly he doesn't know what he's talking about. They would have done better to not interview him at all.

Since the thread I put this in was locked....... here's the post



It's not JUST regionals. Has anyone looked at the 121 supplemental rules for rest? Heck at least 135 as a MANDATORY MINIMUM 10 hours rest period! Another BIG problem with regionals, at my company, the company as started MANDATING van times. The problem is this is on our REST time AND at times is 45 minutes before our duty on time because of a combination of hotel distance and uncooperative hotels with van availablity. So an already 9 hours scheduled rest gets cut to 8 for inbound delay and waiting 30 minutes for the van to pick us up and then tack on a mandated van time and you really have more like 6.5 to 7 hours away from the airport.... Sure that's safe to then work another 11+ hours the next day....
And you guys wonder why regional pilots look like crud some days..

I love how the "former regional pilot" article writing guy has the FAR/AIM 2000 sitting on his bookshelf.

Yet I flew the SAME airplane UNscheduled 135 and HAD to have a minimum 10 hours rest EVERY duty period... So much for one level of safety. Oh yea and the same 19 seat plane I flew HAD GPS and a yaw damp.....

kitteh! ;D