Well what can we do? Deny only our management? What do they care? Can we convince all the other DCIs and DL to deny our management a ride? Really, if an ASA guy is ticked off, he'll maybe bring it up with his MEC or management, and then our MEC will hear about it.... if someone's got a better idea, let's hear it!

And no, I don't commute, but from the times I've "tried" it... it sucks. Oh well....

Well, let's just hope the company gets their act together before June 23rd.

Pre-emptively, we need to gather the benefit details of other non-owned DCI carriers and compile them in a pdf or doc format for circulation to the pilot group if it becomes necessary...because I am almost 100% certain when they eventually release the details of the new system, they will lay all blame on mainline, and take no responsibility, and try to say they "had no choice." Which we all know is at least 90% BS.

I sincerely hope the union will counter any company memo removing themselves from blame with a memo outlining our new system alongside those of other non-wholly owned regionals...just to make sure it is very clear that the company DID have a choice in the matter.

But what is this ASA guy's jumpseat committee going to be able to do about our management's Air Service Agreement with Delta? Nothing. Phil Trenary does not care if someone from Comair/SkyWest/ASA/Mesaba/etc... got denied on our flight.

And how about offline non-revs? How do you think offline non-revvers are going to treat us when they're working our gates, throwing our bags, pushing us back, and going the extra mile to help our families get on-board? They're not. We barely have a ground station footprint in this industry anymore and those are folks I'd rather not mistreat. Again, they haven't done anything wrong. Why punish them? How would you feel if Delta denied you a jumpseat because you were one of "those Pinnacle guys".

The only solution to this problem is the company following our current contractual agreement and having the same or better in the new one. If that'll be enforced, well, I guess we'll see.

Ok.... let's level the playing field this way then. If our management is so shrewd enough to negotiate a contract with DL that essentially has no "benefits" travel-wise for the employees, I'm sure that Phil is shrewd enough to say, "hey, Richard, I'm sure you could save some cash by just eliminating all employee non-rev travel for DL mainline and DCIs".

Mr. Big-Iron-Driver (and I mean that in a completely non-condescending way), what would *you* suggest as the best course of action if your benefits were threatened as such. Are they negotiated into the JPWA? What about all you Comair folks, all you ASA and Skywest folks, etc?

I have accomplished something here.... to hear that we want to deny non-revvers has ticked off some enough into posting into this thread. That gets you thinking, hey there's a guy here who does the same crap we do but gets completely hosed.

And as far as flexing the contract balls, you should know more than anyone else that you can only flex them as far as the law allows.... hello lost pension! Hello gutted wages.... you guys just "let that happen" after 9/11.... yeah right! :rolleyes: No one lets that happen, you had it forced upon you, much like we're forced to wait and wait and wait until we can strike!

If you play the game of bumping nonrev's for no reason and being an arse you are showing immaturity and letting mgmt get their victory. Gotta think big picture. This issue is with OUR management, taking your anger out on everyone EXCEPT our mgmt will leave you alone at the bar... Cause you are not going to be on anybody's plane.

And thats the bottom line.

That would never happen. Might look good on paper to management/compass/mesaba, but maybe 1% of 9e captains might follow the rule...i know I wouldn't.

yuppers. the other DCI/delta blue collar peeps have 9+ other ways besides pinnacle to nonrev somewhere. **** them off and Pinnacle peeps will have zero options to nonrev somewhere.

The circle of life...

Starting a "non-rev war" is not practical, nor wise. Its not like we ever go to the gate and ask about non-revs and who they work for. It'll never happen. The only thing 9E mis-management cares about is $$$. They are not going to care one bit if we go out of our way to bump off line non-revs. What they will care about is a big old NO vote should any TA come our way with garbage pass bennies. I hope the rumors I've been hearing are wrong, but am fully prepared to use all my call in honest's and plead my case to the commuting committee should commuting become much more difficult due to the loss of priority on DL/NW.