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Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 618066)

You guys make me laugh. Well I guess I should have just gone to the lowest paying jobs out there when I got my 200 hours. You do know that regionals were hiring pilots with as little as 200 hours don't you?

And yes, waiting to get on with a more reputable regional does help make small difference. By your reasoning, I should have gone to the first and lowest paying job I could have.

800 hours is a huge difference than 500 hours. Some people even held out to a 1,000 hours, which is even more because they wanted to go to Skywest.

As for bashing on Colgan, save the grief. I am not on here to trash the Colgan group. But, if for one second you want to get on my case for pointing out a Colgan FO makes about 70-80% of the pay an ExpressJet FO makes for doing the same flying, but with 20 more seats, by all means keep it up.

A Colgan FO, which flies 70 seats, makes 70-80% of an ExpressJet FO who flies 50 seats.

DMEarc, I'm really excited for you that you got your mainline gid in under 2 years. I'm so glad you didn't care about the regional you went to so you could build "your time". I'll tell you one thing, I could make a career at ExpressJet, would you be willing to make a career at Colgan?

Hmm...Management would love to hear you want to stay there for your career! You're willing to sell yourself just to fly jets, huh?

Let's look at another one of your bogus arguments, becaue that's what they all are...bogus.

Colgan $21/hr first year....ExpressJet $23/hr first year...70-80% less you say..

By your logic that means a Colgan FO only makes $5.75/hr...I think that is incorrect.

Now let's look at it using something we call....the correct way.

ExpressJet FO's make 10.5% more than Colgan's FOs. I am not defending Colgan by any means. I am telling you thay you're shyt does in fact stink and ExpressJet is a still an mainline undercutter. Just like Colgan, just like Republic, just like Eagle, just like Air Wisconsin. However we DO NOT make it better by bashing Colgan and wishing they'd go out of business. That may happen, but then ExpressJet would pick up the flying...AKA mainline undercutting and I will still be furloughed. You need to go to your MEC and volunteer, not opinions, but work. Work on making things better around the industry- not only at XJT.

Colgan Pilots were BRILLIANT in voting in ALPA, sounds like you need a little kick to realize what we're all in this for.

Holding out for a regional isn't going anywhere. Regionals should be a stepping stone period! 10 captain on an rj getting paid $90k doesn't help this industry. In fact it hurts this industry cause you undercut the majors so you can fly those routes(and paint the majors colors on the side) If you wanted to do it right you should volunteer in your union and try to make the industry better. Cause you blaming the Colgan pilots doesn't make you innocent. You are part of the problem also.

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Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 618086)

Based on your theory, why don't I just go to GoJets then?

Prolly cause you already got turned down by them due to your stellar attitude.

Your right regionals should never be a stepping stone. Stepping stones should be instructing, corporate, etc... where everybody else that has been in this industry for many years did. This arguement with which regional is better is crap. regionals shouldn't even be in the sky but you and your ego problem is bringing this industry down even worse. I wish you worked for a major right now cause you wouldn't last. No respect for the industry!

Wow, I'm not even going to bother with you guys.

I'm surprised every day, how it's actually a bad thing to try and hold out for something better and you get trashed for doing so.

Amazing.

no one mentioned corpex, regions earlier

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Originally Posted by Yzerman (Post 618073)

Bad spelling aside, some might make a case that a repo flight that killed only the arguably irresponsible pilots vs. other flights I'm not going to name that killed innocent passengers as well is slightly less embarrassing. Not trying to burn or defend anyone, but I'm just saying...

There is a huge difference between hotdogging and a misjudgment or error. If you can't see that, well I am just saying....

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Originally Posted by wes3001 (Post 618093)

I couldn't agree with you more sir!!! Regionals should be a stepping stone period. Lifers give the industry a bad name. I can't tell you how many times these guys have tried to defend their whole QOL bull crap. I am sorry, but $80 an hour to fly a Dash 8 or an RJ is not QOL especially when you can be making that as a 3rd year FO at most majors. "Well I could have gone but I didn't want to move my family." BULL CRAP!!!!! You couldn't make it at a major. You couldn't deal with being the low man at the company again. You just didn't want to deal with being an FO again and not being "in charge." You would rather have an easy to fly Dash 8 or RJ for your career and make $80-$90 an hour then to do something real with your lives. You lifers don't even try to defend it. You are bringing the industry down and you need to go find a real job.

God that felt good!!!

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Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 618078)

Hmm...Management would love to hear you want to stay there for your career! You're willing to sell yourself just to fly jets, huh?

Not true. Management hates anyone above year 4 payscale. They want you to upgrade in 2 years, get 1000 pic and get the heck out so they can keep everyone under 4 year payscale.

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Originally Posted by mooney (Post 618268)

Not true. Management hates anyone above year 4 payscale. They want you to upgrade in 2 years, get 1000 pic and get the heck out so they can keep everyone under 4 year payscale.

Once again, another pilot who understands what the regionals should be all about! :)