I agree with you. It is not like RAH is flying the 190's the day after the announcement. This whole operation is going to take time to get everything sorted.

If midwest pilots strike, we cannot fly the routes anyway according to the contract. Also if there is actually 100 seats, there is another section of the contract that needs to be debated on by union and management before we can fly them. Not to mention a wheel barrel load of other variables that can happen as well. Not to mention, I love how everyone thinks that they have a choice in this. Like the union wrote a group letter to BB asking for the 190's, ridiculous.

Everyone needs to put away their torches and pitchforks until all the details are ironed out.

lets be honest here. if E190s were to go to each and every regional in the country, there isn't a pilot here that could say with a straight face that he/she would walk out on his job. it's not RAH to blame, it's the regionals as a whole. no regional is better than the other.

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Originally Posted by Beechlover
I've been in this industry now for 3 years. Been reading the boards quite a bit in that time as well. To be honest.., based on what I've seen, and read, and heard, I feel that this "solidarity" so many speak of is a myth, or at the very least a reality I will never see in this industry based on the apathy and indifference that exist. That and the "I got mine crowd" seem to me to be the biggest impediment to bringing any solidarity to this profession. We need a fundemental paradigm shift before any EFFECTIVE change will occur. Not likely to occur in my opinion. At this point in my career, my priorities are my health, my family, my career.

At no point in any of these threads have I felt the true spirit of solidarity that compelled me to change my actions with regards to doing my job or make a self sacrifice (read: fall on my own sword) so that those higher in seniority could continue to enjoy job security, prestige and, great pay. Sorry that's how I see it.

With regard to the E-190, do you seriously think that ANY pilot who cares about their family, their livelyhood, and being out on the street in THIS economy, Is gonna ACTUALLY refuse to fly it??? I don't know what world these folks live in, but I tend to focus on the real world.

Employment at the "Legacy Carriers" is becoming less and less attractive to me these days. Don't think I'm gonna be heading in that direction. Threats are a little school yard don't ya think?

Pilots don't get to choose what aircraft their airlines fly, MANAGEMENT AND THE MARKETS make those decisions. THE ONLY thing we AS pilots have control over is the speed and altitude we chose to go from A to B. Not crazy about every decision thats been made by this airline's management, but that's life in the 121 world.

If or when it comes my time to fly the E 190, don't expect me to fall on my own sword. That is unless we all collectively intend to provide us (pilots who refuse to fly it) with either the unemployment income or another job..., any takers.., didn't think so.., so much for "solidarity."

I'm gonna continue to do my job as I would expect any professional pilot to do. If it makes you all happy, when or if our union ever gets it's collective self together, we'll see about better pay. Don't hold your breath. So there it is.., do with this what you will. Don't get me wrong, I love my profession, myjob and the folks I fly with, hell I even like who I fly for (RAH).

Imagine that, a pilot who actually enjoys working for the airline he flys for, what a concept.


Originally Posted by alvrb211

3 years huh?

I could have guessed that from the above post!


BTW, there are many major airline pilots out there who enjoy flying for their airline.
There just aren't many who want to see their management empowered by the willingness of bottom feeders like yourself.


Enjoy the regionals. Your myopia makes you taylor made for them.


JJ



Wether you realize or not.., you just made my point for me regarding solidarity. I don't claim to be the smartest guy in the world, but it seems to me that this WHOLE saga of regional expansion can be attributed to one thing..., SCOPE!!! When those who were senior to us all decided in their ultimate wisdom to relax scope (for whatever reason ie: prevent furloughs, save pensions, better pay etc.) I'd be willing to bet at the time, NO ONE imagined that there would be a day when a carrier with a regional pay scale would operate a hundred seat jet aircraft.

That single act (executed at carriers across the industry) opened a door!

I think that most who fly at the "Main Line" level carriers realize this and also know that the ONLY way to prevent any further damage is to LOCK DOWN their respective Scope clauses. The door HAS TO BE CLOSED in order for regional AND MAINLINE management teams to stop exploiting the now gaping hole this door has created.

Don't take my word for it.., take a look at the discussions on the "MAJORS" thread concerning E-190 flying. Seems they realize this all to well.

Correct. Giving up scope concessions for better pay then complaining about those who fly under the concessions isn't right.

This helps explains the Midwest management philosophy. Too bad some can't see it and continue to blame RAH for what is clearly a Midwest management decision.

Your trollish fear-mongering posts only show how desperate and afraid you are. It shows how weak your position is. It also shows how childish the supposedly more experienced "major airline professionals" can be when someone comes along with a better business model. You're an embarrassment to the profession JJ.

It's spelled "t-a-i-l-o-r", Mr. Airline Professional.

Wow... What a tool.

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Thread closed rather than giving out multiple infractions. If you can't post in a respectable manner, you're better off not posting at APC.