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Old 05-24-2009 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by effsharp
Can the majors survive without the "regionals"?
No, but if they don't like the ones they have, they can always dump them and create new ones...

- Used RJ's cheap from the desert.

- Multi-DUI street captains and 300-hour FO's who are willing to work for peanuts and are afraid to stand up to abuse.

- Everybody on year one longevity.

- Company-defined payscale, workrules, and employee policies.

- No union to start with.

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Old 05-24-2009 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by effsharp
Can the majors survive without the "regionals"?
Sure they could. The mainline pilots do ALL the flying for the airline. The reason that mainline companies outsource it to low-pay pilots is, well, because they're CHEAPER. And not just the pilots . . all employee groups at the commuter.

Commuter pilots complain about their compensation and the fact that there's no road anymore to a decent aviation career.

If you show up for work, that's what you're worth.
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Old 05-24-2009 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by effsharp
Can the majors survive without the "regionals"?
Southwest seems to do OK.
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Old 05-24-2009 | 01:25 PM
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Old 05-24-2009 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
Sure they could. The mainline pilots do ALL the flying for the airline.
They don't want it. They have outsourced the regional flying to the RJ operators and Southwest.
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Old 05-24-2009 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 8LatRB
They don't want it. They have outsourced the regional flying to the RJ operators and Southwest.

The pilots who gave it up didn't want it. The problem is, they have all retired, and forgot to ask the current pilots what we wanted, which was NOT how it is now.
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Old 05-24-2009 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Southwest seems to do OK.
Very good point. Important to note here that Southwest does not depend on the hub-and-spoke business model. The relationship between most of the majors and regionals is one of co-dependency.
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Old 05-24-2009 | 05:12 PM
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Can mainline survive with out the regionals....yes...and no...

YES .... if they either create more regionals ... or if they fly it all in house...

NO... they can not survive with out the feed from the cities now served by their regional partners in some form or fashion.

SWA does not use a traditional hub and spoke... but they do have hubs... and more and more of their flying is hub style flying.
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Old 05-25-2009 | 03:28 AM
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No they can't. It's all about cost. The seat mile costs are too high for an all regional fleet. That before we talk about start up costs with call centers, computer reservation systems and other expenses to get going.



Originally Posted by n287hg
If ASA or Comair just decided to not fly for Delta anymore or say Delta did not want them to fly flights for them, would the regional carrier be able to survive as a stand alone carrier. I know way back when regional airlines were literally regional. Would that same concept work today?
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Old 05-25-2009 | 03:29 AM
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Delta continues to give up scope.

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
The pilots who gave it up didn't want it. The problem is, they have all retired, and forgot to ask the current pilots what we wanted, which was NOT how it is now.
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