How does being a wholly owned subsidiary mean you should get reduced benefits?? In the end, being the employee of a subsidiary of delta should be the same as being an employee of delta. Of course the mainline guys are ok with this, all excuses aside, it doesn't matter if it's right or not, just that it's in their benefit. Maybe if you stepped up for once and demanded the same benefits and salaries for those at the wholly owned companies, there would be less of an incentive to outsource flying in general... The arrogance of some mainline guys on this board is astounding...

You may have a legitimate argument with contract carriers, but they should still have priority on their own metal...

I don't speak for DAL pilots, never said I did. However, I do speak TO DAL pilots on a daily basis and know how we (as a group) feel on numerous subjects. Read DAL pilots responses on this thread, all of us have similar opinions.

Now, to answer your question, on a mainline flight...no. On another DCI carrier...I would not have a problem.

I did not label you as a child. It was used figuratively. I can't say I'm sorry you take everything literally. You're not really a child nor is Delta your real family. It was a comparison. You wouldn't want one of your children to give others a bad image of your whole family. Make sense?

I'm fairly certain you have not asked this particular question nor have you heard it directly from the other 12000 pilots at the company so it's kind of an exaggeration to say you know what the majority of the DAL pilots desire. You can only assume. Regardless, it doesn't matter what you really feel. DAL mgmt called the shots and they don't really care what one pilot really thinks. It is what it is.

Would you and other Delta pilots support say Wholly Owned active employees traveling as S3B on mainline flights? I think that is still a fair option.

According to page 11 of Delta Air Lines, Inc. (of which Delta and Northwest are subsidiaries) 2008 SEC Filing:

"As of December 31, 2008, we (Delta Air Lines, Inc.) had a total of 84,306 full-time equivalent employees. Approximately 42% of these employees were represented by unions, including the following domestic employee groups.

Delta Pilots (including pre-merger NWA pilots) 11,040
Delta Flight Superintendants (Dispatchers) 180
NWA Dispatchers 150
NWA Fleet Service, Passenger Service, Office/Clerical 11,030
NWA Simulator Technicians 40
NWA Stock Clerks 270
NWA Flight Attendants 6,290
NWA Mechanics and Related Employees 900
NWA Plant Protection Employees 10
NWA Tech Operations Trainers, Planners, Analysts 170
NWA Meteorologists 20
Comair Pilots 1,190
Comair Maintenance Employees 500
Comair Flight Attendants 790
Compass Pilots 320
Mesaba Pilots 1,090
Mesaba Flight Attendants 650
Mesaba Mechanics and Related Employees 310
Mesaba Dispatchers 25 "


So is Delta falsifying SEC reports by saying Comair Pilots are employees when in fact they are not?

The arrogance you refer to, is it the same arrogance that had the CMR MEC's stated position that any furloughee must resign his original seniority number to come work for CMR during the 2001-2007 timeframe? Talk about brother helping a fellow brother in need. And why is it up to us to argue for your wages and benefits? I do think you should be brought up, supported CMR guys on strike in 2001, but in the end only the respective employee group can fight their fight. CMR guys certainly didn't rally behind the DAL guys the past eight years.

It may be a privilege for you, but for a DAL pilot, travel benefits are a contractual right. From the Delta PWA Section 24:

L. Free and Reduced Rate Transportation
1. Free and reduced rate transportation privileges granted by Company policy to noncontract personnel now or in the future, will be extended to pilots.
2. There will be no substantial reduction in on-line transportation privileges as a whole, for pilots during the term of this PWA.

I guess Comair pilots should have had a similar clause in THEIR contract. :(

PG

Really?

This is you honest opinion?

Why? I mean really tell me why.

You claim you are such a hero for taking the FA jumpseat to help out a commuting regional guy, yet you decide this is a helping hand you are not willing to give. I don't get it. How do S3's, for commuting only, hurt you?

This thread proves to me a few things that I always thought:
1. Most pilots would eat their young if it meant a better life for themselves.
2. If someone isn't pisin and moaning about something, they are not a pilot.
3. Our ALPA, is not a union, it is an association. Meaning that if you are a member of ALPA, you are just associated with it. A union is unified not divided. If our groups worked together and everyone was not out for themselves, this job would have a good future in america. I wonder if their is a Medical Doctors Central forum where they all bit88 about each others bosses?

I was at CMR at that time, and now a NERD (NeverEverRealDelta). And not to steal the thread, it was CMR mgmt that was in charge of the hiring, not our MEC. Also, some believed that the Real Delta pilots wanted to come in as Captains and displace the bottom of our list. Also, somewhere, not sure, in the ALPA bylaws, you can't have 2 ALPA cards at 2 different ALPA carriers. One more thing, I remember being on strike in 01, the Delta guys were kind enough to walk with us. However, the signs they carried talked about their upcoming contract that helped send them in to BR along with us. Then when they got the contract they, delta pilots, were encougaging us to settle for a worse contract then we got. So, it is not about treating the regional carriers like a triple A club. I for one am glad we didn't hire the delta guys at that time, because all it would have done is caused a bunch of training for our company to write in the books. Rant over for me...BTW when I get a chance to fly with a real delta guy, nothing will be mentioned of Comair.