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GoBlue 05-28-2009 12:44 PM

The MEC's for PDT, ALG, and PSA met and agreed on what they would fly the CRJ's for so Airways couldn't whipsaw them against each other. After the meeting, the PSA MEC went behind PDT's and ALG's backs and undercut them to get the jets. According to the union people I flew with at PDT, PSA would have probably gotten the jets anyways, because they needed to get rid of the Dornier t-props. However, because of the way it went down, most PDT guys were not big fans of PSA.

Flyboy8784 05-28-2009 06:45 PM

Well aint that sum sh!t???

Bond 05-28-2009 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shackone (Post 617306)
I think folks need to keep a couple of things in mind at all times in this airline business...

One, we are employees, not board members. Those of us from the real legacy carriers...the ones no longer around...know a little about that.

Two...at some point in your career, you will either be on the inside looking out...or the outside looking in. Be prepared to discover just how far your altruistic ideals go when tested in the crucible of reality.

I think you will find that unionism is the finest in human idealism and the worst in human nature.

Someone with the caliber of experience that you have should have a better understanding of how detrimental the actions of your current company (RAH) are to the industry as a whole.

I understand you wanna stick out for your company, but this is ridiculous!

tpersuit 05-28-2009 07:18 PM

Good post Bond. I'm going to post these JetBlue and Republic rates, so people can really see the difference. Remember, most pilots think the JetBlue rates are low and they are currently working with their management on raising them. However, looking at the two companies side by side, you can see how low the Republic pilots are compensated for the same aircraft.

1st Year Jet Blue CA = $88/hr
1st Year RAH CA___ = $64/hr
1st Year Jet Blue FO = $40/hr
1st Year RAH FO___ = $23/hr
1st Year Jet Blue Total Cockpit = $128/hr
1st Year RAH Total Cockpit______ = $87/hr


4th Year Jet Blue CA = $94/hr
4th Year RAH CA___ = $75/hr
4th Year Jet Blue FO = $58/hr
4th Year RAH FO___ = $37/hr **This is the maximum pay for RAH FO's!
4th Year Jet Blue Total Cockpit = $152/hr
4th Year RAH Total Cockpit______ = $112/hr


Let me even go farther for you
12th Year Jet Blue CA = $110/hr
12th Year RAH CA___ = $96/hr
12th Year Jet Blue FO = $70/hr
12th Year RAH FO___ = $37/hr **still only $37/hr!
12th Year Jet Blue Total Cockpit = $180/hr
12th Year RAH Total Cockpit_____ = $133/hr


Now, there is a FACT you can sink your teeth around.

Bond 05-28-2009 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmcd05 (Post 617526)
Who gives a **** if they are "midwest" jobs??? If RAH pilot's are paid well for them, then that's all that matters...

There are three possibilities here as to why this individual would write something that does not make sense at all like this (without any malice):

1) The individual has never been exposed to a life outside the sheltered life provided by his parents.

2) The individual comes from a long family tradition of line crossers, and he's been brain washed into thinking is ok to back stab his brothers and sisters.

3) Or simply Shinny Jet Syndrome has reached new heights among the early 20's wannabes on this site.

I'm trying to give this individual the benefit of the doubt, cause I don't think anyone could be that dumb.

XSive 05-28-2009 08:30 PM

its funny how everyone bashed on Mesa for bringing down the Regional industry..now we can thank Republic for the demise of the entire industry...This type of outsourcing is just unbelievable. Yes Air Wisky flew 100 seat airplanes for United back in the day but that was still a feed into the hubs, not a replacement as Republic is doing.

grdprox 05-29-2009 06:59 AM

i bet if RAH started hiring tomorrow, the line would be out the door. You guys are funny.

xtreme 05-29-2009 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XSive (Post 618747)
its funny how everyone bashed on Mesa for bringing down the Regional industry..now we can thank Republic for the demise of the entire industry...This type of outsourcing is just unbelievable. Yes Air Wisky flew 100 seat airplanes for United back in the day but that was still a feed into the hubs, not a replacement as Republic is doing.

Not to mention AWAC paid as good or better than united and had better work rules.

shackone 05-29-2009 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bond (Post 618717)
Someone with the caliber of experience that you have should have a better understanding of how detrimental the actions of your current company (RAH) are to the industry as a whole.

I understand you wanna stick out for your company, but this is ridiculous!

Why did you assume I'm a RAH employee?

I'm not.

Nor did I take a position on this current situation. If I did, it would be something like this...make your choice of where you want to work. Just remember...you don't get to dictate the rules...the best you can do is try to negotiate them, and in this employment environment, no pilot group has a strong hand, particularly in the regionals...them's the breaks.

The expression is "stick up", not "stick out", btw.

KingAirPIC 05-30-2009 12:44 PM

I wouldn't doubt that. RAH pilots must realize however that the short term raise in pay for flying their new aircraft will only transfer into less career earnings in the long run. And that goes for everyone. RAH pilots cannot accept this. Even though we are employees of a company we have the duty to a profession to maintain what is right. The same as we do our best to change policy that may have unsafe ramifications. You must come together and say no.


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