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tomgoodman 05-29-2009 08:17 PM

Why pilots are hungry
 

Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot (Post 619128)
One of the biggest reasons that SO MANY of us have jobs flying is because of DE REGULATION.

There's a lot of truth in that. The pie was cut into smaller slices, and more people were allowed to sit at the table.

exwaterski 05-29-2009 08:29 PM


when you can't afford to buy a house or a car and your starting over at your third regional
Get rid of longevity based pay and you drive a stake through the heart of the leverage management has long held over pilots. The pyramid system we pilots helped to create has come back to bite us. Tear down the pyramid.

FNFAL 05-30-2009 11:11 AM

Forget it, kind of a thread hijack

KingAirPIC 05-30-2009 01:01 PM

"If you're good at something, never do it for free." - the Joker

That's all the advice I have.

FlyingPirate 05-30-2009 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by KingAirPIC (Post 619668)
"If you're good at something, never do it for free." - the Joker

That's all the advice I have.


agreed...............

Lowlevel 05-31-2009 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by rustypigeon (Post 618934)
Yes quality training makes better pilots, but when it comes to flight hours you have to draw the line somewhere. 250 hours is not where that line should be drawn.

Enough experience is gained in that 250-1500 time frame that I think the line should be drawn at a minimum of 1500.

This is also not always true. I don't really think that a 2000 hour flight instructor, who trained private pilots on nice weather days and sat right seat, logging PIC time has the experience of a 1000 hour pilot that flew Part 135 cargo in the northeast, in all kinds of bad weather. Quality of time is far better than quantity of time.

As far as "babysitting" in the cockpit, I have talked to so many captains that had this problem. Some were so amazed that when they arrived at the plane, I had the APU running, checklists complete, FMS programmed, and everything ready to go. The job is to operate that flight safely and on time, to it's destination. If you can do something extra to make that happen, then do it. If you are having trouble with the physical flying of the aircraft, ask your captain or any other pilot, they may have a tip to help you out. If you still need help, ask for extra training. Asking, and getting extra training is better than getting called in for "mandatory extra training". And never forget that aviation is a continuous learning experience. During long flights, read your manuals, check out the Jepp charts and glossary. I bet you find some little thing you never knew before. Not saying that you need to spend the whole trip studying, but at least take the time to be the best pilot you can. Your goal should be to do your job as well, or better than, your captain. As an FO, you pretty much do everything the captain does (in flight), set a standard for yourself and operate to that standard.

WeaselBoy 05-31-2009 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY (Post 619244)
Let's see- less passenger's+less a/c =less PILOTS !!!!

Actually the correct equation is:
less passengers+ less A/C= more unemployed pilots= higher demand for lower paying jobs

SkyHigh 05-31-2009 07:51 AM

Farmers
 
The government pays farmers not to farm a portion of their land so that prices can be driven up. What if professional grade pilots were paid not to fly? The good times will come back. :D

I am ready for my check. :)

SKyhigh

rustypigeon 05-31-2009 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Lowlevel (Post 619922)
Quality of time is far better than quantity of time.

Indeed it is. But a 250 hour pilot has neither quantity or quality. That is why I think the bar needs to be pushed up to at least 1500.

And lets face it 1500 is not a lot of time either, but 250 is just ridiculous.

Twin Wasp 05-31-2009 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 619968)
The government pays farmers not to farm a portion of their land so that prices can be driven up. What if professional grade pilots were paid not to fly? The good times will come back. :D

I am ready for my check. :)

SKyhigh

We've already got that program, I'm getting $405 a week not to fly!


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