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BoilerUP 05-31-2009 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah
I'm 25 and I've already saved up most of my retirement money...

Please tell me this is hyperbole...

I'm your age and don't have anywhere NEAR "most" of my retirement money saved up...hell even $100k today at an annual return of 5% only leaves you with $721k after 40 years of growth. Not growth to sneeze at for sure, and TVM does reward people who get a nest egg started early...but you and I are going to need MILLIONS in order to retire in 40 years.

fjetter 05-31-2009 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 620093)
I'm 25 and I've already saved up most of my retirement money...hopefully I don't get a wife that takes it all....

In this buisness you won't get one that takes it all...you'll get about three:p.

Aside from that I agree w/BoilerUP, TVM is very important to put whatever you can away as early as possible. Even though my employer has no retirement plan, doesn't stop me from pulling 5% away each week and putting it in private retirement funds.

shackone 05-31-2009 02:47 PM

According to Wiki...

"In western nations, such as the United States, the term commonly describes highly educated, mostly salaried workers, who enjoy considerable work autonomy, economic security, a comfortable salary, and are commonly engaged in creative and intellectually challenging work.Less technically, it may also refer to a person having impressive competence in a particular activity."

I suppose it all rests on whether or not airline pilots think those qualifiers apply to them.

Jessemh 05-31-2009 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 619999)
Poll is flawed.

I value having my job...but if someone wants to be treated like a professional and compensated like a professional, they must act, dress, and do their job like a professional. This means wearing the uniform properly, remembering you're in a service industry and asking questions when asked by passengers, watching one's language or actions while in uniform, and generally...well, acting like you have a shred of dignity or respect for the responsibilities of the job or the history of the profession.

Anybody who will do their job any more safely or professionally based upon a bigger number on their W2 doesn't value either their professionalism OR their job.

huh?

I mean, I see your point but should professionalism change with the pay gap between 16k/year fo's and 200k/year capts?.

If you're a pilot who's making enough to live on your own with a car payment and eat well, I would say thats atleast enough to act like a professional.

Mesabah 05-31-2009 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 620103)
Please tell me this is hyperbole...

I'm your age and don't have anywhere NEAR "most" of my retirement money saved up...hell even $100k today at an annual return of 5% only leaves you with $721k after 40 years of growth. Not growth to sneeze at for sure, and TVM does reward people who get a nest egg started early...but you and I are going to need MILLIONS in order to retire in 40 years.

Yes it is hyperbole, I'm basing it on my past and present performance as an investor vs. targets I've set for myself at certain points in my life. Although, the government is making it very difficult to plan ahead. I've been saving since 7th grade.

BoilerUP 05-31-2009 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Jessemh
should professionalism change with the pay gap between 16k/year fo's and 200k/year capts?.

No, it shouldn't.

One should not base how professional they act, dress, or perform their job duties based on their gross pay. If one DOES try to justify their actions (or lack thereof) by referring to their salary, that in itself reflects unprofessional behavior.

After all, its not like the compensation for flying an RJ was or is a mystery...

JoeyMeatballs 05-31-2009 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 620205)
No, it shouldn't.

One should not base how professional they act, dress, or perform their job duties based on their gross pay. If one DOES try to justify their actions (or lack thereof) by referring to their salary, that in itself reflects unprofessional behavior.

After all, its not like the compensation for flying an RJ was or is a mystery...



I agree, look how professional Manny Ramirez is, look at his salary ;)


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