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Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 621684)

You don't get it. The pilots are being replaced and their mainline airplanes, who cares if a company that shouldn't be surviving, is? I'm sure the Midwest pilots would feel some more dignity if the company shuts down rather than replace them and their airplanes with RAH.

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Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 621696)

So are you saying if you had a choice you wouldn't be accepting a job at RAH because they fly for Midwest and that they replace furloughed midwest guys and fly mainline airplanes as well while their at it? But since it looks like a case of the chicken before the egg, your hands are tied. The fact of the matter is you guys will be even bidding for it, we'll see how junior the flying goes. Now your management even fixed the pay issue for you guys by making it below 99 seats, HOW CONVENIENT FOR YOU!!! 66 717s VS 95 seat E190s. Somebody said something about throwing up.....

wow a former Gojet basher, who then took a job at Gojet, is now lecturing about another pilot group's principles? please......
your first quote sounds awfully similar to TSA/GJ......

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 621713)

I don't get the point of your question. He's saying he's hoping we wouldn't accept the flying as a pilot group. I'm saying we don't have the option to accept or deny any of this since as it sits it does not violate any contracts. Make any sense? If they show up we can't simply say "no thanks". We don't have a choice.

I given you an out but I know you don't have the balls to do it. You can't throw it back in my face either because I've done it and I'm continuing as we speak to get disability and unemployment. If you really think your fellow crewmembers really care that they are replacing much more experienced pilots as a whole you are kidding yourself. I fly on midwest coded 170's at least 4 times a month and make it a habit to talk to the crews. Many if not most are clueless. I've had a few tell me that they are happy to be able to help us out. Like someone said earlier, most pilots at Midwest would rather the company cease to exists than have our flying sold to the lowest bidder.

94 seats? ahaha what a joke. Just joining in on this one. Who was actually thinking that they might negotiate ANYTHING close to what Jet Blue pays? Somebody needs a drug test.

Hey RAH, here's to the 500th, the 600th and the 700th? Take a look at the Mesa furlough thread and see the future.

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Originally Posted by matlok (Post 621754)

You guys *do* have the choice of NOT BIDDING the vacancies. If those planes fly at least have them flown by 100% displaced pilots, no volunteers.

what does that change? just help you sleep at night? I have no idea if people will bid them or not but someone would have to be an idiot if he could bid to live in base and not do it. The fight is in the contract. It's the only thing that counts now that the bull is out of the barn.

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 622134)

If any of your pilots bid for that flying, they have no excuse to hide behind.

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Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 622182)

If any of your pilots bid for that flying, they have no excuse to hide behind.

They have no need for excuses.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 621785)

You keep saying that RAH saved 3/4 of Midwest pilot jobs. Do you realize that Midwest used to have 400ish pilots, & are now down to around 100 pilots? No more MD80s & only 8 B717s now.

So once again RAH did not save 3/4 of Midwest pilot jobs. The E170s & the $$$ RAH management provided helped to ELIMINATE 3/4 of the Midwest pilots jobs & only left about 1/4 of the Midwest pilots employed.

What you are failing to mention is the fact that SKYW has 12 CR2s operating as Midwest Connection. Are these hulls having no impact on the flying the mainline guys are getting? Of course not. You are exaggerating your information to make a point.

MachJ is that a TV show or something in your pic it's making me laugh so hard.

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 622188)

They have no need for excuses.

Yes... they do.

Guys, I find this as disgraceful as anyone else but they legally can not just collectively SAY NO and not fly the airplanes, they negotiated these low rates, the time to crucify them was when they negotiated these rates, not now