Call The Media!!! Sully Broke Sterile!!!!!
06-09-2009 | 08:32 PM
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Eaglefly,
You will find in one of the other threads an entire discussion of the role of the violation of sterile cockpit rules in the Buffalo mishap.
I was quite adamant in stating that the violation of sterile cockpit roles has never caused a crash that I know of. What has caused many crashes is a generic lack of SA, a lackadaisical attitude, etc.
What's the difference many ask? Well, if I was flying an ILS down to mins in icing conditions, was focusing 100% on the control of the aircraft, the performance of the aircraft, and the navigation of the aircraft - but was singing "Mary had a little lamb" to myself or telling a joke to my Capt - well, that would be violation. But, if I were on the same ILS but was half asleep and allowing myself to get 10 kts slow, etc - but being perfectly quiet except for checklist callouts - that would not. Which case would be more likely to result in a crash? It's the attitude and SA that matters, not the conversation. The attitude and SA leads to the conversation.
If you find that discussion, you will find many on this board that completely agreed with the media in that the discussion several minutes prior to the mishap was worthy of highlight. Although no procedures were violated (except for sterile cockpit) during the conversations, they were supposedly worth mentioning. It would seem that it's not just the media that takes these things out of context.
You will find in one of the other threads an entire discussion of the role of the violation of sterile cockpit rules in the Buffalo mishap.
I was quite adamant in stating that the violation of sterile cockpit roles has never caused a crash that I know of. What has caused many crashes is a generic lack of SA, a lackadaisical attitude, etc.
What's the difference many ask? Well, if I was flying an ILS down to mins in icing conditions, was focusing 100% on the control of the aircraft, the performance of the aircraft, and the navigation of the aircraft - but was singing "Mary had a little lamb" to myself or telling a joke to my Capt - well, that would be violation. But, if I were on the same ILS but was half asleep and allowing myself to get 10 kts slow, etc - but being perfectly quiet except for checklist callouts - that would not. Which case would be more likely to result in a crash? It's the attitude and SA that matters, not the conversation. The attitude and SA leads to the conversation.
If you find that discussion, you will find many on this board that completely agreed with the media in that the discussion several minutes prior to the mishap was worthy of highlight. Although no procedures were violated (except for sterile cockpit) during the conversations, they were supposedly worth mentioning. It would seem that it's not just the media that takes these things out of context.
06-10-2009 | 08:15 AM
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Pilot: Bird warnings from tower of little value - Yahoo! News
A cockpit voice recorder transcript released by the board showed Sullenberger and co-pilot Jeffrey Skiles were admiring the view of the Hudson River less than minute before their plane struck the geese and lost thrust in both engines.
"What a view of the Hudson today," Sullenberger remarked.
"Yeah," Skiles responded.
After all the ****storm from Colgan and such, it would probably come as a shock to all of America that their hero, the mighty Capt Sully, broke sterile cockpit also. Wow...I'm suprised that those 7 words didn't cause him kill everyone onboard!!!! Stupid media. I'm so sick of their witch hunt.
A cockpit voice recorder transcript released by the board showed Sullenberger and co-pilot Jeffrey Skiles were admiring the view of the Hudson River less than minute before their plane struck the geese and lost thrust in both engines.
"What a view of the Hudson today," Sullenberger remarked.
"Yeah," Skiles responded.
After all the ****storm from Colgan and such, it would probably come as a shock to all of America that their hero, the mighty Capt Sully, broke sterile cockpit also. Wow...I'm suprised that those 7 words didn't cause him kill everyone onboard!!!! Stupid media. I'm so sick of their witch hunt.
06-10-2009 | 08:38 AM
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06-10-2009 | 09:13 AM
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06-10-2009 | 09:36 AM
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I keep reading the head lines, and they (media half-wits) are calling the landing a "miracle on the Hudson." I'm just a bit disturbed by this. With no disrespect, I believe something on the order of, "fantastic execution of a much practiced emergency scenario" might be a little more accurate. Am I alone on this? Miracle just seems a bit too angelic.
06-10-2009 | 10:11 AM
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06-10-2009 | 10:25 AM
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I keep reading the head lines, and they (media half-wits) are calling the landing a "miracle on the Hudson." I'm just a bit disturbed by this. With no disrespect, I believe something on the order of, "fantastic execution of a much practiced emergency scenario" might be a little more accurate. Am I alone on this? Miracle just seems a bit too angelic.
06-10-2009 | 10:41 AM
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Out of curiosity, how much do commercial pilots practice total thrust lost scenarios? While during private and commercial training, we did them all the time, but I imagine a archer or 172 handles a bit differently than a larger aircraft. I know much remains the same, but when would have been the last time they practiced them? I know when I went for my ME add on, I asked about total thrust lost and my instructor said it is not considered. When I went for my MEI, I asked if I should teach total thrust lost and was told same thing.
06-10-2009 | 11:04 AM
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Out of curiosity, how much do commercial pilots practice total thrust lost scenarios? While during private and commercial training, we did them all the time, but I imagine a archer or 172 handles a bit differently than a larger aircraft. I know much remains the same, but when would have been the last time they practiced them? I know when I went for my ME add on, I asked about total thrust lost and my instructor said it is not considered. When I went for my MEI, I asked if I should teach total thrust lost and was told same thing.
But seriously, you've practiced it with the SEL, and a twin isn't going to be much different, the weight is greater, but the drag is less due due to feathering of both engines, should be about the same. I've pulled both engines to idle and practiced, I couldn't tell the difference in a bug smasher.
