It will be hard to know for sure, but I think so.

I have done transcon redeye commutes, but I arrived 12 hours prior to show so I could sleep. I would not have cared to go directly to work after such a commute, and I have years of experience with military sleep deprivation. I can stay awake for days if needed, but I cannot make myself function particularly well after missing the first night's rest.

The CA was sleeping in the crew room during the day. I've done that too...after work while waiting on my ride home. No fun there either, unless colgan had some really great rest facilities.

Ok, assuming that did become the reg. Commuting in, arriving at domicle EXACTLY 8 hours prior to show. THEN going to a hotel or crashpad is so much better than an RR overnight following a 16 hour day, to be followed by ANOTHER looooooong duty day.

Bingo. You guys are getting what you wanted ... many of us warned you all to be careful what you asked for.

The second part of that scenario is ... costs go up, so the tickets go up, so less people can afford to fly, demand further drops, and parent company then needs less pilots ... mainline and regional.

No matter what happens, this is going to cost the company. And that will mean jobs lost.

At Colgan, we dont sleep, we nap...... just ask Harry Mitchell VP of Ops.

If the cost of the flight crew were doubled, the price of a ticket would increase by less than $3.00 per flight hour (that is based on pilot pay per seat). So a trans continental flight would increase by $10-15. If this is enough to keep people from flying (while they pay $15 for an extra bag , $10 for a window seat, or $5 for a scotch), then this industry is already doomed.

Yesterday's meeting was closed door, so we don't know exactly what was said there. However, if you watch the testimony given by Babbitt (and others) from last Thursday's Congressional Hearing, they made it clear that they will be proposing changes AND new legislation regarding 121, not just regionals. There were multiple people who sited the "One Level of Safety", and it was clear that they are going to target ALL 121 carriers. The idea being that if everyone is affected, it will eliminate the "competitive advantage" in the words of Mr. Petri (We call this "whipsaw").

All in all, I'm a little excited to see what will happen. Next up, the senate hearing!

KC10 FATboy:

In motto of one of our great states..."Live Free or Die" there are fates worst than death! If someone chooses to be a slave the rest of their life, so be it. I don't have to choose the same fate.

I'd rather go on the dreaded unemployment line than to cower and see this BS continue to play out for a lifetime!

Unquestionably. I have sympathy for the FO's actions (commute with sleep planned in the crew room), less so for the CA (I understand he could afford but was too cheap to pay for a hotel --- we've all been there but that doesn't make it right.)

As for the likely FAA changes:

• Harder checkrides -- cost nothing (to the airlines, anyway).

• Make PRIA's cover every piece of paper generated on you, EVER, - Costs almost nothing. (except except now you discuss every comment ever written in every margin of every eval for every job interview for the rest of your career. Much more interesting than Sat/Unsat)

• Change rest requirements, max duty days/flying hours, and a rational, methodical scientific approach to circadian rhythms -- EXPENSIVE AND WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

1 of the 3 above might actually make a difference. 2 of the 3 will make almost no difference. Hmm. I wonder what's going to happen?

they would get expensive if people start failing, sim time isnt cheap

I posted this on the Major thread I thought I should post it here too

What’s next?
Pilots have to live at base
Pilots must be forced to sleep for 8 hours prior to any flight
Pilots are not allowed any alcohol 24 hours prior to any flight
Pilots are not allowed any medication 24 hours prior to any flight
Pilots have to maintain a healthy low carb low fat diet
Pilots have to work out at least 5 days per week
Pilots have to be a certain height, weight, and race.