ASA is furloughing... it's official
 

ASA is right now calling pilots and telling them they will be furloughed. Official announcement to come this afternoon.

Several people tried to discuss it on ourASA and corp. comm censored it, telling them they can't talk about it until this afternoon.

Sorry to hear that guys.... As for the "corporate censorship".... "Help, Help! I'm being repressed!!!"

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Horrible news, good luck guys.....

At least they are calling you guys, I didn't get a call, email or anything, just a letter right before Xmas Eve. Now that's class! Merry X-Mas!

Sorry and good luck to everyone at ASA.

Good luck guys. Rough times at ASA...

Sorry to hear. To those getting furloughed, arm yourselves with as much info as possible, (i.e. unemployment bennies, WIA -specially if you commute-, etc). Good luck!.

ASA is really going down the right road with uncle rico at the helm

Good luck to all of those who are getting notified today, I sure hope we are getting to the bottom of this nightmarish time, so we can start to add jobs, not take them away!

It's good to see our Union is really stepping in. (Sarcasm!)

How long does our CRJ-200 contract last with Delta? I'm wondering if I'll even make it back before all 110 are sent to the desert the day that contract expires. :rolleyes:

What I really don't get is why the company didn't offer extended COMA's, LOA's, retirement packages, etc. At least with the last round, they were nice enough to pretend to care about the pilot group.

Thanks Brad Holt! :mad:

Also, I just talked to a buddy at SkyWest, and he was denied a 12 month personal LOA recently. I just don't get it... ASA furloughs, but SkyWest denies LOA's...?

That brings up another point, good to see we are on round two and SkyWest has not furloughed yet.

I've come to accept the fact that no Skywest pilot will be furloughed as long as there are ASA pilots to furlough. They'll simply transfer the flying we have to themselves to avoid furloughing on their side. I've got friends at Skywest so I'm not ****ed at anyone there and I hope none of them get furloughed but it does suck from our perspective when we are taking the brunt of everything bad. We really are the red headed step child.


On a seperate note I guess they never found flying for those 20 CRJ-200s.

Filler Filler....

Correct me if I am wrong, but we didn't offer health benefits with our LOA's like SKW is now, did we? That might be one reason why less people accepted them. ASA is and will continue to be the perennial loser in the current relationship we have with the parent company and DAL. I agree to at least offer these leaves to make it seem like the company cares. These furloughs could have been mitigated by additional leave packages on par with what skw is putting out. Cant argue with facts and ASA has now managed to furlough 130+ back to Nov 07, lose airframes, lose most and soon to be all ground handling stations, facing possible maintenance consolidation and implemented North Korea style censorship on OurASA. The st george dream is turning into a nightmare for those affected

We aren't owned by Delta so we can't be the red headed step child of Delta, we are the red headed step child of Skywest

How many ASAs will be put out to pature till better days if that even happens.

Oh I'm pretty sure the honeymoon is over with. Well, at least for the junior portion of the pilot group. Watching their aviation future melt away at the hands of our management and Delta. But, we're not alone in this mess - every DCI company is getting slapped around like a little girl.

Good luck to the rest of the boys / girls hitting the street. This career is one hell of a fun ride. 40+ more years of this nonsense, yeah - no thanks.

I'd say it's more like we are getting clubbed like baby seals ;)

What are the numbers looking like? Anyone have a guess?

What numbers are you talking about? If you are asking how many are furloughed, it will be 136 as of September 1st.

As for how many will be furloughed...? ALPA would like you to believe that the company can't furlough any more than that because of the no furlough clause in our contract. As much as I want that to be true, the next few months will tell. I guess Brad Holt is just totally unwilling to run even a little fat on pilots.

The cowardly part of this whole thing is that the "front-line meetings" this week don't even include Brad Holt.

After the second round of furloughs there will 1562 active pilots

it's almost unethical of skywest management to not have skywest airlines share the furlough pain. It's clear that they have no replacements for the 20 200's. In truth i feel they are slowly downsizing the airline untill it is only a shell of itself.

Why should we furlough? We are actually a little short right now. So, we should furlough, just to make you feel better?

We pilots aren't in the business of helping each other out. If you look at the history of this profession, it's very predictable........within the industry it's every pilot group for themselves and within every pilot group it's evey pilot for himself.

Sad, but true..........and one of the fundamental reasons we are not only where we are (as a profession), but where we a CERTAIN to go.

come on brad when times are good you love to be out among the front line employees taking credit. Show your face out of respect to the people who are losing their jobs and answer questions without some canned BS response.

I guess it is a lot easier for him to sit in his office reading FA comments on ourASA about how we have such great leadership

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That gets so old.. It's borderline creepy.. "Thanks Brad" "You are always looking out for us Brad"... I can't even look at the comment section anymore without cringing.

Look, I’m not going to sit here and say we’re being treated differently. I’d say most everyone I fly with understands that there’s somewhat of a double standard here. Keep in mind that I’m one of the good guys at SKW who has always wanted the best for ASA but the reality of it isn’t as I’d hoped.

Regardless, thinking that SKW hasn’t furloughed because of ASA is absurd. Remember UAL covers the overwhelming majority of our flying and our DAL reductions have been somewhat offset by our increases in UAL flying and Pro-rate flying. First we were supposed to retire 15 of our EMB’s by summer’s end, now we’re only retiring 3 with ZERO retirements in 2010. Ever since Eagle and Horizon pulled their light lift out of LAX, PDX and SEA our plates have been full which has included the addition of many new markets. Plus as their lease come on in 2011 (on the one’s we don’t own) we’ve been informed that SKW intends to extend them. Second we are still receiving CR7’s which is all growth, unfortunately at the expense of mainline. Third, we've had enough pilots take VLOA's to where we been able to cut our reserve %age from 36% to 15% system wide.

Thant’s just ridiculous to think SKW should “share” furloughs. We are two separate carriers with separate pilot groups and separate codeshare contrats.

Agreed. But is Skywest still fat come fall? Haven't heard much about it lately.

We have 15% (which is "target" according to Mgmnt) reserves for peak season so I'd say yes, come off peak we will be fat, but not to the tune of 36% reserves. Also keep in mind that we are still receiving jets but we are also ending MidEx (less than 4% of our flying) so who knows. If we don’t furlough it will be due to picking something else up whether it be at the expense of mainline UAL :mad: or MAG :rolleyes:.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, furloughed ASA guys will be the first to be brought on at Skywest when the need for more pilots arises there. So I wouldn't wish furlough on anyone, especially the company that could potentially be your next employer.

You are absolutely correct, however there is NO need for SKW to have a base in ATL. According to Jerry there was no need for ASA to have a base in SLC, so following the same logic, why does SKW have a base in ATL. We have the 900 now, so there aren't any more excuses for it. Speaking of which, I saw a SKW 200 in there the other day.......

its a shame delta wont give this round of furloughs any travel bennies

I would say your the red headed child of SkyWest and the red headed step child of Delta. But that is just details, either way your getting a black eye who cares who's fist it was.

Incorrect. What do you think the model was for the SKYW LOA? As always, the union carriers do the work for them and they just run it through the copy machine.

I agree and we’ll just have to see what the future holds. Remember that once the purchase of ASA was complete they didn’t give ASA the boot in SLC for some time. Also remember that 5 of our CR9's are ATL based so in order to give ASA all the ATL CR9 flying Mgmnt would have to transfer. Unfortunately I agree with ASA pilot’s perception that they are step children so I don’t see the transfer happening.

Once again the obvious has been point out as if it's some shocking new revelation. :rolleyes:

What! You guys have got to be kidding me. You all know the next time contracts come up we will continue the SKYW whipsaw game. We need to be a unified pilot group!!!!!! It doesn't matter who deserves what!!!! it's about skywest playing the game. They will never have to deal with with a fully unionized pilot group on both sides working together if you keep the same attitude of **** ASA anyways... We have to work together because it's in our best interest.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. ........ I give up

Easy or you’re going to have a coronary. And I agree you should give up, you’re assuming and you know what they say about assumptions. :rolleyes:

BTW, I’m Pro-ALPA and I support a merger but that doesn’t change the fact that your original posting was ridiculous. But you're right, we will be whipsawed against one another but the boat sailed on merging when Jerry and friends bought you guys out of your language. Of course when the time comes ASA pilots will point their fingers at SKW pilots because we're non-union, claiming we're the reason for this cluster. Remember that our best chance at one voice died with your new TA so that means the majority at ASA are just as guilty as the majority at SKW when the battle begins.