If you don't have a good set of duty rigs, be prepared for less days off. You want more time in the hotel, your going to get it. Bring the last flight into your destination, now you'll sit in the hotel until the afternoon flight goes out. How much flight time do you think your going to get in a 12 hour duty day if you've got a few hours on the ground between flights?

I think the price that pilots are going to pay for this extra rest is going to prove very high.

How is it my fault (figurative "me") that management is unable to schedule my days without huge sits in the middle? Even if you work at McDonalds, you get paid even if there isn't a customer in the store. Why shouldn't we get paid when we're on duty? Is turning the airplane easier than flying it?

That's why I said Duty Rigs will be the only way to keep some quality of life when you start to see less flight credit per day. The FAA does not care how many days off per month you get as long as you have 1 in 7 off.

All I'm saying is, company's will adjust too the new rules. It's you and I who are going to pay the price with more days away from home.

ALPA Pilots Needed for FAA “Road Shows”

ALPA president Capt. John Prater served as pilot union moderator in Washington, D.C., Tuesday at the first of 12 FAA “Call to Action on Airline Safety and Pilot Training” road shows. The FAA announced at the kick-off Call to Action event on June 15 that these road shows would be scheduled around the United States and that active line-pilot participation would be solicited for each.

ALPA is fully supporting these events and encourages members—especially those who live in or near participating cities—to attend one or more of the meetings and share their perspective on the subjects raised. The FAA has structured these events to facilitate discussion, which will be moderated by selected labor and airline representatives. ALPA is especially interested in having broad representation and constructive participation from its members at these events.

Call to Action is intended to bring together FAA inspectors, airline management, and pilots to discuss the challenges of improving air carrier management support, screening, hiring, training, professional standards, and mentoring at all Part 121 airlines. The first road show this week included a cross section of approximately 75 aviation professionals and regulators.

The 11 remaining road shows are scheduled for the following cities:

July 30 – Dallas/Ft. Worth
July 30 – Chicago
August 4 – Seattle
August 6 – Minneapolis/St. Paul
August 6 – Atlanta
August 6 – Anchorage
August 20 – Miami/Ft. Lauderdale
August 20 – Denver
August 20 – St. Louis
August 27 – Las Vegas
August 27 – Boston

These meetings are closed to both the public and media to facilitate an open and honest exchange of best practices and recommendations. Each road show is scheduled to start at 8:30 a.m. and conclude at 2:00 p.m.

For more information about the agenda, venues, and to register online for these events, please click here. Pre-registration is required to attend. After registering, please send an e-mail to [email protected] and identify yourself as an attendee. Please include your name, airline, phone number, and the city(ies) where you plan to attend.

I wonder if any of this will apply to 135?

Talked to my local FSDO Manager at the gym this morning. Asked him that same question and his response was "Very little, if anything will change with the 135 duty regs, unless of course it involves scheduled passenger service."

It's okay to kill yourself, just not the people behind you.:D

Love me Jeffrey.

Why not 9-10 flight hours and a 12 hour duty day? It was always being up for nearly 16 hours that tired me out, not the actual flying.

This is exactly correct. I would not mind at all in increase of some sort of the block limitation. It is the duty limitation of 16 hours that must go. I also think there should be a correlation between total number of segments scheduled and total block allowed.

And only one LGA turn allowed per week. :D

Because for prop guys that can mean over 10 flights a day. I flew 7:55 in a 13hr duty day the other day and I can tell you it was the 8 legs that killed me, not the 7:55 or the duty day.