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JetJock16 08-26-2009 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 668191)
If outsourced flying makes you so ill, I wonder how you stomach showing up to fly your Skywest plane every day?

I fly an E120 not an E190 so I have no problem showing up to work...........BTW, outsourced flying under and with in a scope umbrella is one thing but the Midwest "debacle" is a whole other animal.

JetJock16 08-26-2009 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 668231)
I don't care for it either, but that is what happens when management lacks foresight. MEH management put itself into a position where it was unable to continue paying the leases on the 717's, and was unable obtain replacement aircraft on its own. 190's are available on the open market. MEH could have bought/leased 190's or any other aircraft to keep the airline running. Unfortunately, the top brass at MEH did not figure out that they could not retain and/or obtain aircraft until their financial position locked them into decline. TH did not get some great golden parachute out of letting MEH wither on the vine. He and his staff just messed up, and hurt a lot of people along the way. Had RAH not stepped in, those 717's would have gone away anyway, along with the jobs of MEH pilots. Thank Boeing for that. They have been financially strapped over the course of the RAH/MEH deal, and did what they thought would generate the maximum revenue. It is sad to see a great company and a great product leave our industry, but the truth is MEH managers rode their business model too far.

Remember, please: Labor is the largest CONTROLLABLE expense in the airline industry today. That does not mean that labor costs decide whether or not a company is successful. The problem has been (relatively) poor revenue generation, and it has been that way for decades. The spike in fuel last year, and the loss of a week's flying after 9/11 showed how small a margin the airlines were running on. Had steps been taken to keep revenues up years ago, the airlines could have taken it all in stride. You can put regional pilots on every route, on every piece of equipment, and still lose money.

I agree, that's why my posting was not directed at RAH pilots. The blame falls squarely on MEH's top brass. What has become of MEH due to their poor leadership and foresight churns my stomach but once again I don’t blame RAH pilots.

ToiletDuck 08-26-2009 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 668330)
Believe it or not, I know who you are. I've flown as your captain before so I know more about you than you think. My posts might come off a little harsh, but I these Republic deals are not good for anyone. Everyone can't be a captain in this industry. Only about half of us can. It is important to be able to support a family as a first officer. The bare minimum to do that for most people is the Republic captain pay scale. If every single first officer flying an airliner makes $37/hour, then we're in trouble. Republic is trying to make that happen slowly but surely. Who cares whether you're flying a 145, 170, 190, or Airbus if it all pays exactly the same? You don't seem to care.

I do care, greatly. However you say I praise the company for their decisions and am happy that Midwest pilots lost their jobs and that flying is here when if you've ever heard me speak on the subject in person you'd know better. Your statements couldn't be farther from the truth. You might know my name or history, and we only flew a few days together, but it's apparent you don't know my view on things. Saying it doesn't make it so. I've never once said, on any forum or in speaking, that I didn't feel we deserved or shouldn't fight for more. I don't want to offend or argue but your assessment of my opinions on these situations isn't accurate by any means.


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