Originally Posted by Bear392 (Post 666038)

I'm not silver yet, but sometimes feel like it. If you read a little farther down is what everybody has their panties bunched about.

“Expediency”
The only pilot groups not to have pilots on furlough is Mokulele and Lynx. Midwest will have another 41 pilots on furlough September 1st, with all of their pilots on the street by December 15th. Furloughed pilots from Midwest and Frontier cannot bid for an open slot until they are on the RAH Seniority List. However, for integration purposes, pilots who were active at the time of acquisition will be considered active for the Master Seniority List. It is the resolve of all Integration Committees to get this completed as quickly as possible so we can begin to get all of our furloughees back on property.


So what about the guys that have been there 15 years plus and now are on the street, behind the 1 year RAH fo?

Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 666062)

Obviously some things have to be left to interpretation and negotiation which is why the process isn't automatic. However, you can't say that the above scenario is fair nor equittable. I do not care who you are. Simply talking to my coworkers confirms that they share my view. Straight DOH probably won't happen either.

Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 666082)

what do you suggest we do with the 300 YX and 100 F9 guys on the street? As our fleet stands now, there is not enough work for all of them and all the currently employed RAH pilots. Is if fair and equitable for them to bump the bottom RAH guys onto the street and send them to places like HNL or GSO to be FO's on reserve? The company and union are talking about growth with the airbus's and 190's so should we limit those positions to the furloghed guys so they can get first dibs on them? Either way there will be upset people. The only precedence I know of with furloghed pilots being brought into a single list is Usair and america west.

Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 666082)

what do you suggest we do with the 300 YX and 100 F9 guys on the street? As our fleet stands now, there is not enough work for all of them and all the currently employed RAH pilots. Is if fair and equitable for them to bump the bottom RAH guys onto the street and send them to places like HNL or GSO to be FO's on reserve? The company and union are talking about growth with the airbus's and 190's so should we limit those positions to the furloughed guys so they can get first dibs on them? Either way there will be upset people. The only precedence I know of with furloughed pilots being brought into a single list is Usair and america west.

Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 666097)

Integrate all pilots and have fences so the Midwest/Frontier furloughed pilots have rights to the growth at their airline.

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 666045)

Maybe someone can give me a heads up but did TWA have pilots of furlough with AMR? What about NWA/DAL? Any furloughs there prior to merger that would set some kind of precedence?

Originally Posted by Bear392 (Post 666101)

That is a easy fix. Now , would the RAH guys be happy with that ?

Originally Posted by Bear392 (Post 666077)

I have not seen one YX pilot ask for or expect DOH, however can you guys at RAH say no one is looking to staple most or all YX pilots.

Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 666097)

Integrate all pilots and have fences so the Midwest/Frontier furloughed pilots have rights to the growth at their airline.

Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 666174)

News flash: There are three pilots out of 2100 at RAH that are responsible for negotiating the integration of Midwest, Frontier, Lynx, and Mokulele. Those three pilots are not participants on this message board, meaning that nothing said by a RAH pilot on this board matters, and anything you say to a RAH pilot in regards to how an integration should go matters. Those three have goals and strategies to obtains those goals. None of us will know what their views on fair and equitable are until proposals come out. And like in any negotiation, the initial proposals will likely be exaggerations of the intended outcome. Save the fireworks until there is something to celebrate (or protest).

Originally Posted by TrojanUSC (Post 665915)

Good were glad to have you. Hopefully with the experience of the guys coming over we can negotiate something that keeps as many people as happy as possible.

MD80 please realize that most everyone over here knows you guys got screwed by the events that unfolded in the last couple years. I haven't met anyone that doesn't want to work with you guys and most FOs realize that in no way should we be benefiting on the backs of more experienced pilots. However I have met no one from MidEx that has been friendly and wants to work with us. When can we expect you guys to realize that and start working with us instead of against us? Until then nothing will get done... This petty arguing and name calling has to end at some point.

Originally Posted by IMHO (Post 664553)

Surely, Surely the glaring differences between XJT, ACA, and RAH are extremely noticable even to the most uninformed pilots among us. As it has been said many times before, and I'm sure it will be disregarded even as I say it, because people long for history to repeat itself and for another "branded regional" particularly RAH to fail. Unfortunately for those naysayers among us, history is not being repeated simply because no "regional airline" has done what RAH is attempting to do. They have the brand, they have the name recognition, they have the planes, pilots, ground staff, marketing, and customer base. They have fare structure, route structure, and fuel hedges. They know their landing fees, airport fees, security fees. There are no suprises coming to Republic. What Bedford isnt familiar with, Menke is. What Heller doesnt know, someone in Denver does. What RAH is doing is unprecedented regardless of what you say. Show me a time where a regional airline has ever attempted such an undertaking.
As to United and Delta...most assume that UA is angry and DL is livid. If you were United, what would you rather do...Leave RAH to fend of your biggest threat in DEN (Southwest) or cancel Shuttles contract and automatically have RAH with 36 170's at their immediate disposal to paint in F9 colors and parade out of DEN? Almost effectively doubling Frontiers presence instantaneously? And lets not kidd ourselves, United isnt in a position to leverage a baked potato, not to mention enter a fare war to out price F9 AND Southwest.
Delta on the other hand, is not the suprised spouse either, as it were. I'm sure we would have heard from DL by now if they were all that bothered by RAH actions. After all they tried to do away with Freedom for delayed flights. I'm sure this is a much much more aggregious offense. And yet...silence. Delta's in bed with RAH, no doubt about it.
And just one more thing, Republic has no intentions of branding itself Republic. So all the passengers who are supposedly shying from the tiny carriers will have the opportunity to continue flying "mainline household names" like Midwest and Frontier.

Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 666274)

Go and see a doctor.....




You have Shiny Jet Syndrome (SJS)

Originally Posted by IMHO (Post 664553)

Surely, Surely the glaring differences between XJT, ACA, and RAH are extremely noticable even to the most uninformed pilots among us. As it has been said many times before, and I'm sure it will be disregarded even as I say it, because people long for history to repeat itself and for another "branded regional" particularly RAH to fail. Unfortunately for those naysayers among us, history is not being repeated simply because no "regional airline" has done what RAH is attempting to do. They have the brand, they have the name recognition, they have the planes, pilots, ground staff, marketing, and customer base. They have fare structure, route structure, and fuel hedges. They know their landing fees, airport fees, security fees. There are no suprises coming to Republic. What Bedford isnt familiar with, Menke is. What Heller doesnt know, someone in Denver does. What RAH is doing is unprecedented regardless of what you say. Show me a time where a regional airline has ever attempted such an undertaking.
As to United and Delta...most assume that UA is angry and DL is livid. If you were United, what would you rather do...Leave RAH to fend of your biggest threat in DEN (Southwest) or cancel Shuttles contract and automatically have RAH with 36 170's at their immediate disposal to paint in F9 colors and parade out of DEN? Almost effectively doubling Frontiers presence instantaneously? And lets not kidd ourselves, United isnt in a position to leverage a baked potato, not to mention enter a fare war to out price F9 AND Southwest.
Delta on the other hand, is not the suprised spouse either, as it were. I'm sure we would have heard from DL by now if they were all that bothered by RAH actions. After all they tried to do away with Freedom for delayed flights. I'm sure this is a much much more aggregious offense. And yet...silence. Delta's in bed with RAH, no doubt about it.
And just one more thing, Republic has no intentions of branding itself Republic. So all the passengers who are supposedly shying from the tiny carriers will have the opportunity to continue flying "mainline household names" like Midwest and Frontier.

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 666170)

Who's airline is it? I think that's one of the largest barriers that needs to be broken down for things to move smoothly. You have to admit that you're part of a family now and "me me me" should be replaced with "us us us".

Bear392 if you haven't seen anyone wanting DOH do a search on users 320toBearz for starters.

Originally Posted by iPilot (Post 664497)

Feelings on a regional flying E-190s aside I'd be cautious about joining Republic's ranks. They're walking into a snake pit directly competing in the airline markets. Just thinking they'll have a competitive advantage using regional pilots and aircraft on mainline routes may not be enough. After all, majors like United can leverage strength in other markets like international to bring down prices in DEN and MKE. And lets not forget Southwest who has been beating down Frontier and Midwest for years.

Republic might have a strong cash position now but so did Independence and XJT before their venture into operating their own brands.

Originally Posted by 320ToBearz (Post 666513)

Your information is incorrect. I want you stapled below ALL midwest pilots in MKE domicile (ie super seniority for Midwest crews at MKE and super seniority for all F9 crews in DEN) in terms of bidding and seats. The total seniority list should be ratioed ignoring any furlough situation from any of the three lists being integrated. I have stated this time and time again. I cannot help it that you continue to use and ask for the TWA integration as what you want, but do not understand HOW that integration worked as it gave TWA pilots super seniority in STL and also gave them a lock of a certain percentage of the captains slots in STL based on the total number of narrowbody aircraft American flies in certain other domiciles (DFW and ORD if I am not mistaken).

Originally Posted by 320ToBearz (Post 666513)

I cannot help it that you continue to use and ask for the TWA integration as what you want, but do not understand HOW that integration worked as it gave TWA pilots super seniority in STL and also gave them a lock of a certain percentage of the captains slots in STL based on the total number of narrowbody aircraft American flies in certain other domiciles (DFW and ORD if I am not mistaken).

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 666170)

Who's airline is it? I think that's one of the largest barriers that needs to be broken down for things to move smoothly. You have to admit that you're part of a family now and "me me me" should be replaced with "us us us".

Bear392 if you haven't seen anyone wanting DOH do a search on users 320toBearz for starters.

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 666528)

I don't know if this is a drunk post or not. Doesn't make much since. When I mentioned TWA, a couple months ago, it was as a statement that I hoped people would maintain seniority in base on aircraft AND when recalled go back to seniority position in base. Not the entire situation that became TWA. Don't mistake the two.

Originally Posted by Bear392 (Post 666101)

That is a easy fix. Now , would the RAH guys be happy with that ?

Originally Posted by 320ToBearz (Post 666563)

The 190 is a replacement for the 717 directly but in your mind success is replacing it at 50% less wages. This is an aircraft that the midwest pilots should be entitled too. What you just said above is exactly what I said. Midwest pilots retain super seniority on all Midwest 190 (and I would argue 170/145) flights.

It should be no different over at F9.

Originally Posted by 320ToBearz (Post 666563)

The 190 is a replacement for the 717 directly but in your mind success is replacing it at 50% less wages. This is an aircraft that the midwest pilots should be entitled too. What you just said above is exactly what I said. Midwest pilots retain super seniority on all Midwest 190 (and I would argue 170/145) flights.

It should be no different over at F9.

Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 666589)

first dibs on any new 190 stuff would be ok. however there is no 170 midwest base or 145 base. all that flying is done from our other bases. That would be sending current republic pilots to the street.

Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 666633)

What was going to happen with the termiated Frontier E170 and American? E135-145 flying?

Sounding like you want to move it to Midwest and take our jobs.

Is that the Teamster solution to merging these airlines?

Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 666633)

What was going to happen with the termiated Frontier E170 and American? E135-145 flying?

Sounding like you want to move it to Midwest and take our jobs.

Is that the Teamster solution to merging these airlines?

Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 666550)

I agree. We need to work together because BB and TPG will try to divide us.

Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED (Post 666643)

Did I miss something? TPG is no longer in the picture, right?

Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED (Post 666642)

This is why integrating the Midwest Pilots quickly is so important. They cannot even bid the equipment until they are on the list. There should be enough flying coming that will enable a Midwest pilot to hold MKE on the 190 if so desired. But if we block off the 190's for them we also block off the rest of the system to them, that would be only fair and equitable. Point being if a guy commuting from Philly is stuck in the right seat anyway why not take one close to home. I don't believe you are going to to see a pay difference between 170's and 190's. There maybe something in the works to split it below but I still see the company fighting for one FO pay scale, it will definitely be better though.

Originally Posted by 320ToBearz (Post 666711)

Enough for all 400? Duck says the 717 is going away and seems happy about it. Why are RAH pilots happy or content that the second highest paying airplane out off all three fleets is going away to the cheapest?

Will the Teamsters pledge that they want Midwest+ pay rates and work rules for the 190?

Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 666677)

TPG is here ....



Upon consummation of the Merger and pursuant to the Investment Agreement, on July 31, 2009, the Board of Directors of the Company voted to increase its size from five to six members and appointed Richard P. Schifter, a managing partner at TPG, to the Board of Directors of the Company. The Board of Directors did not appoint Mr. Schifter to serve on any of its committees.


As of the date of this report, neither Mr. Schifter nor any of his immediate family members is a party, either directly or indirectly, to any transaction that would be required to be reported pursuant to Item 404(a) of Regulation S-K.


Mr. Schifter will be compensated consistent with the compensation programs for non-employee directors of the Company. Following his appointment to the Board, he was automatically granted an option to purchase 10,000 shares of the Company’s common stock pursuant to the Company’s 2007 Equity Incentive Plan.

Originally Posted by 320ToBearz (Post 666711)

Enough for all 400? Duck says the 717 is going away and seems happy about it. Why are RAH pilots happy or content that the second highest paying airplane out off all three fleets is going away to the cheapest?

Will the Teamsters pledge that they want Midwest+ pay rates and work rules for the 190?

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 666769)

Oh does he? It's fact not opinion. The 717s are going away. This was decided on before RAH ever entered the picture by Boeing after Midwest tried to lower the rates on the leases. Stop running around pointing fingers at everyone saying they're happy about it. Be a little realistic.

Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED (Post 666754)

Thanks 80, I read it but I don't completely understand the impact TPG may have on things. I still think there is much more to the story and we are deeper in bed with Delta than anyone grasps.

Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 666834)

I agree 100%... Delta is in this deal

Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED (Post 666751)

Enough for all 400? 38 frames opens a lot of seats. Enough for anyone that has a job. Our Furloughs come back first, they are no less important then our brothers and sisters from the old Midwest.

Where do you get this, "will the Teamsters" crap. The answer is no, the contract is as it stands until we get it renegotiated and renewed, deal with it. Are we fighting for more, AGAIN and for the Ten Millionth time YES! God this is boring!

No one is happy that a airline with an unsustainable business model has failed. The 717 is going away, done! I know Duck and I am certain he is not happy about it. Personally I'd have rather they kept the 717 put the seats back in it make it profitable and keep it on line. But that is something you me or the Duck have no control of now isn't it. So stop crying about the spilt milk, man up and offer something constructive or go back to playing flight simulator, the adults are trying to talk.