from the 1999 CBA (yes, TEN years ago), 50% DHD, CXL varied (certain limited conditions you could get 100%) but generally 50%, and a give back of 15 minutes over trip value before continued compensation.

Still no block or better- it's trip value or better. Still giving up money out peers take for granted. Even the lowest in the industry has BOB, unless we vote to become the new low.

what is the difference?

Lets say our trip value is 1:00 between MEM and LIT. if you fly it in :50 you still get 1:00. If you fly it in 1:10 you will now get paid 1:10. Thats what we want. In our current contract you would still only get 1:00 till you went over :15 minutes. For example now if the flight takes you 1:15 you still only get paid 1:00. Trip value or better seems to me to be the same as block or better.

Scheduled block includes a buffer of time to prevent late arrivals. Most pilots get paid for that buffer. 9E pilots do not.

Amateurs.

bingo- company gets the ability to buffer out the block time and not pay anybody, but DOES get industry leading numbers and a bonus. I'm a big proponent of having to "pay to play". Nothing great is free, and the best things are worth waiting for.

Doesn't SKW have a trip value different than scheduled block for some of their segments?

What about when trip value is greater than the block?

How many city pairs are credited greater than the block?

Summer time we would make more money, winter time we would lose more money. Would they equal out??

Did the union run the numbers on this issue?

the senior guys in the union ran the numbers, the argument has always been that trip value was "guaranteed" money. Therefore you know what you will make in a month. You don't lose money in the winter, the spread is in slightly in the companies favor (with a delay, you will still make the same, or work for free). During the summer, the spread is in the pilots favor, you will make more and fly less. Due to the yearly adjustment of trip values, those pilots that try to hedge the trip values (by hauling butt) during the summer eventually give it back to the company when they next evaluation is done.

bottom line, all trip values do is guarantee a fixed amount. When you get to 15+ years and can live on 75 hours alone, trip values is what you will desire. Least amount of hours for a guaranteed paycheck.

Looking back at my credit versus block on an average trip (both summer and winter), I usually end up getting paid for about 5 hours per month that I didn't actually fly...our trip values and block times are inflated enough that it takes a significant number of IROPs to actually end up getting paid less than what you actually block...but maybe I'm just "an amateur"

If I vote no, it will have nothing to do with this issue or 75% deadhead pay...block-or-better and 100% deadhead pay would realistically only make a few dollars difference per month (if anything) in my paycheck...

And let's not forget--POSITIVE SPACE deadhead home on request (if it's on delta/delta conn.) at the end of the trip and/or no-questions-asked release from a dhd at the end of a trip??? That's worth the extra 25% pay to any commuter...

I didn't see that when I glanced over the TA. Does that mean after every trip they positive space us back home?