Yes, The CA rep is currently under a recall vote, The FO rep is also a negotiator. I think MEM would be the most heated out of all three. DTW seems to be under control, ATL is all in one boat, and MSP is a split so it should be a balanced presentation IMO. I guess all we can do is wait and see the actual TA and the many many pages of message board "discussion" to follow.

They are both captains, but only the captain rep is being recalled as far as I know. Since no FO ran in the last election a captain is representing the FO's in MEM, bet that won't happen again anytime soon...

I know their will be at least 1 FO stepping up to do it if nobody else is nominated. It's a high hope of mine that there are FO's who are on the outside looking in that want to get involved.

So are the details of the TA out yet?

Nope. Last I heard was Monday afternoon...Clocks tickin' ;)

FWIW.... after all the years you have been in negotiations.... if the pilots vote this down... my personal belief is that the union should go to the NMB and have things declared an enpass.... with a 30 day cooling off period ... followed by a strike if no progress is made. A strike is the ONLY thing at this point that will get you something even close to what you should be looking to get. Five years is tooo long...if they were willing to pay more without the possibility of a strike they would have. Push for "self help" if this TA fails... and if it passes... you have no one to point the finger at but yourselves... good luck.

Its going to pass....sadly.

A strike will not happen, it is killer for both sides, especially in this economic climate. I don't know if the ASA was rewritten, but back under NWA they had the "comair clause". If 9E struck and they were unable to launch X amount of flights they had to surrender X% of airframes, each successive period that did not meet the minimum amount of flights the more airframes they lost. Basically after 21 days 9E would almost cease to exist.

Therefore, if the union takes a protracted strike position, they lose airframes and jobs, if the company allows the strike to be protracted they lose the airframes business. Since DAL owns NWA, those -200 airframes are DAL and everyone knows there are enough DCI carriers that would kill to get more airframes at the expense of another DCI competitor.

I don't see a strike, too much to lose for both sides, especially with DCI decreasing schedules. NO one would win.

So where is the TA? I thought it was supposed to be out by this afternoon.

Expect an executive summary this week, language is still being finalized in some areas. These guys are working beyond hard to get this done- give em some slack. The signing bonus is still being worked on as well since the last w-2 method got sent out the door. Lots going on.