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Sleeping in Airports
This thread is just me thinking out loud, but here are some ideas I've been thinkin about and wanted to get you guys' "Constructive opinions".
Pilot Fatigue has been one of the topics in the crash of Colgan 3407, and the other thread stating 3407 could happen again, with sleeping in the crew lounge kinda sparked me to write my thoughts out. My brother is General Contractor, and ever since 3407, he's been a little intrigued with how crappy his little brother's QOL is. (me :D) So we've been talking about different ideas such as a low cost crew hotel within the airport. Hear me out. IDEA #1--- I've stayed at some places on an army base overseas. hundreds of bunk beds in a big open room, with scattered red lights so you can see but not bright enough to keep you from sleeping. with lockers in between bunks. community showers/ washrooms down the hall. Just a place to sleep, and thats all, dayshift, nightshift... it didnt matter it was always quiet and dark in there... seemed to work great for the military. IDEA #2--- Actual hotel style rooms, personal bathroom, but no mini-fridge.:p My brother argues that civillian america won't buy the barrack-style type of housing. still not sure about whether bedding should be supplied or if it should be BYOB =). anyways. it caters to those with needs for privacy. Pros- -eliminates ride to hotel/crashpad -better than a couch in the crewroom -hopefully it's realistically cheaper than a hotel/crashpad -on airport premises. Cons- -Really Possible? -theft -cannot be permanent address;) -male F/A's Questions... 1.) How much would you realistically be willing to spend per night for either place? 2.) How could we make this secure for pilots/crew only. ie. memberships, Please only constructive responses please. I understand it's not going to happen tomorrow, but just lookin to get your thoughts. Feel free to add some of your own ideas. Copy and Paste this to answer*************************** I prefer idea #___, because ___________ some additional pros... - - - some additional cons... - - - Answers 1.) 2.) |
I prefer idea #__1_, because __If I need to stay overnight because I missed the last flight home or whatever, it is probably really late at night and I plan on catching the first flight out in the morning, so I dont want to spent big bucks on a sleeping arrangement for 5-6hrs. A place for a bed where I can get some decent sleep and a hot shower would be great.
some additional pros... Ive thought of this before, it would be amazing if someone could build housing/rooms for pilots literally at the airport. maybe a few nicer accomodations for pilots who would need a more regular place to crash (think reserve pilots) they could even pitch in to help keep things running while they are on call (stock the vending machines, etc) for a reduced rate if you could get this to work for a reasonable price you would basically shut down all the crashpads in the city! some additional cons... who will pay to build this setup? how will you get approval (although if they can build airport hotels why not airport crashpads) Return on investment? It will take a helllll of a long time charging low prices to get any return on the investment. Also what do you do when business is slow? Can you afford to only have this for flight crew? Answers 1.) Depends on the city- in NYC the cheap hotels run close to $200, ORD $50, DFW $40. Keep the prices below the cheap hotels for the respective city 2.) I think this is the main thing. I dont want the general public being in this establishment. Pilots only. Maybe require a valid 121 airline ID when checking in? |
What kind of grown man would stay in barrack style housing for $30k/yr?? I think most would just find different work and not deal with it.
I think they already make things called hotels. |
Originally Posted by Flatspin
(Post 670110)
What kind of grown man would stay in barrack style housing for $30k/yr?? I think most would just find different work and not deal with it.
I think they already make things called hotels. |
Originally Posted by Flatspin
(Post 670110)
What kind of grown man would stay in barrack style housing for $30k/yr?? I think most would just find different work and not deal with it.
I think they already make things called hotels. |
The only time I sleep at the airport is if I get in really late and don't want to waste time getting my car and driving to the crashpad, since I'm going to take the butt-crack-of-dawn flight home anyway.
I would be OK with airport lodging for that purpose, or the late commute in with an early show. But I do NOT want to see what are essentially homeless shelters for underpaid regional FO's...set up something like this and you would have reserve pilots actually living at the airport. Think of the dynamic...you walk in the crew room to get your gear, and pick up a bad vibe. The people who actually live there don't want you lingering in THEIR living room. Get your bag, your release, and get the heck out...you don't belong. An arrangement like that would enable the dignity and self-respect challenged types to work for even less than they do now. How 'bout we pressure regionals to pay people more instead? |
I really do NOT understand why, with the conditions offered by Regionals, crewmembers don't take advantage of overseas possibilities. Can they really be worse than what's now on offer in the States? 3 times salaries on offer here, tax-free (both local and US), housing-schooling for kids provided, no commute, better days-off, good travel benefits...why fight these battles with management, when much better terms are on offer elseware? For a "future", which we all know doesn't exist? Answers, please!
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Originally Posted by Semaphore Sam
(Post 670144)
I really do NOT understand why, with the conditions offered by Regionals, crewmembers don't take advantage of overseas possibilities. Can they really be worse than what's now on offer in the States? 3 times salaries on offer here, tax-free (both local and US), housing-schooling for kids provided, no commute, better days-off, good travel benefits...why fight these battles with management, when much better terms are on offer elseware? For a "future", which we all know doesn't exist? Answers, please!
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Originally Posted by Flatspin
(Post 670110)
What kind of grown man would stay in barrack style housing for $30k/yr?? I think most would just find different work and not deal with it.
I think they already make things called hotels. I was staying in the CL one night, after getting in too late to catch a flight home. I was tired and miserable, and was looking around the room. I thought to myself "Look at these guys, both captains and FO's, people in their 30's, 40's and 50's, sleeping on couches like we are in college or something. What a stupid job we have! Boy, are we some stupid people for doing this!?" |
I prefer hidden idea #3, because #1 and #2 are completely asinine.
Listen, when you signed up for this job, nothing was hidden from you. This wasn't some sort of mystery game where you were strung along and things were told to you piece by piece, bit by bit. You knew exactly what you were getting into, probably long before you even showed up for an interview. I honestly fail to see why the burden of your bad decision making should be placed on someone else's shoulders. The airline you're working for told you up front how much you'd be making per hour (and, like I said, you probably did research before you went to the interview). They told you their monthly guarantee, training contract, per diem, etc. If you couldn't afford to live off of that, you should not have taken the job. It's as simple as that. If your financial situation is so backwards that you have to sleep on a filthy drooled on couch in a crew room, wear unwashed wrinkled clothes, and eat out of a lunch pail for X number of days because the per diem you're making needs to go to something other than food, then it's time to reevaluate your life. I mean, seriously, what's wrong with some of you? You managed to learn multiple aircraft systems, pass multiple checkrides, written exams, etc and yet some of you run around acting like you don't have the brains you were born with. Wake up, people. Wake the hell up. (P.S., I'm in no way endorsing the pathetic and disgusting state of the industry.) |
Originally Posted by crustacean
(Post 670267)
I prefer hidden idea #3, because #1 and #2 are completely asinine.
Listen, when you signed up for this job, nothing was hidden from you. This wasn't some sort of mystery game where you were strung along and things were told to you piece by piece, bit by bit. You knew exactly what you were getting into, probably long before you even showed up for an interview. I honestly fail to see why the burden of your bad decision making should be placed on someone else's shoulders. The airline you're working for told you up front how much you'd be making per hour (and, like I said, you probably did research before you went to the interview). They told you their monthly guarantee, training contract, per diem, etc. If you couldn't afford to live off of that, you should not have taken the job. It's as simple as that. If your financial situation is so backwards that you have to sleep on a filthy drooled on couch in a crew room, wear unwashed wrinkled clothes, and eat out of a lunch pail for X number of days because the per diem you're making needs to go to something other than food, then it's time to reevaluate your life. I mean, seriously, what's wrong with some of you? You managed to learn multiple aircraft systems, pass multiple checkrides, written exams, etc and yet some of you run around acting like you don't have the brains you were born with. Wake up, people. Wake the hell up. (P.S., I'm in no way endorsing the pathetic and disgusting state of the industry.) |
I have thought of this before, and I have always wondered why airlines don't get into the hotel business. I mean they spend millions each year, why not start some type of crew quarters like has been mentioned.
#2 would get my vote. For me, I would actually like to stay at the airport on overnights provided: There are shuttles (or crew cars) provided by the company to downtown or other areas of interest. Per Diem is raised. Company chef provided. Just kidding, sort of. |
Originally Posted by Semaphore Sam
(Post 670144)
I really do NOT understand why, with the conditions offered by Regionals, crewmembers don't take advantage of overseas possibilities. Can they really be worse than what's now on offer in the States? 3 times salaries on offer here, tax-free (both local and US), housing-schooling for kids provided, no commute, better days-off, good travel benefits...why fight these battles with management, when much better terms are on offer elseware? For a "future", which we all know doesn't exist? Answers, please!
1) I dont have any more thousands to pee upwind converting all my certs 2) I dont have 1500 PIC TURBOJET/Space Shuttle time, Nor am I typed or current on a SCAirbus or Boingy so they wont touch me. Other than that I would have no problem going to work overseas, Heck my wife has even said she'll come with me...:eek: Point is you make it sound like a no brainer that if you are willing to go overseas one of those contract jobs are a cake walk to get....not really |
Originally Posted by crustacean
(Post 670267)
I prefer hidden idea #3, because #1 and #2 are completely asinine.
Listen, when you signed up for this job, nothing was hidden from you. This wasn't some sort of mystery game where you were strung along and things were told to you piece by piece, bit by bit. You knew exactly what you were getting into, probably long before you even showed up for an interview. I honestly fail to see why the burden of your bad decision making should be placed on someone else's shoulders. The airline you're working for told you up front how much you'd be making per hour (and, like I said, you probably did research before you went to the interview). They told you their monthly guarantee, training contract, per diem, etc. If you couldn't afford to live off of that, you should not have taken the job. It's as simple as that. If your financial situation is so backwards that you have to sleep on a filthy drooled on couch in a crew room, wear unwashed wrinkled clothes, and eat out of a lunch pail for X number of days because the per diem you're making needs to go to something other than food, then it's time to reevaluate your life. I mean, seriously, what's wrong with some of you? You managed to learn multiple aircraft systems, pass multiple checkrides, written exams, etc and yet some of you run around acting like you don't have the brains you were born with. Wake up, people. Wake the hell up. (P.S., I'm in no way endorsing the pathetic and disgusting state of the industry.) |
i was trying to suggest an option where you get in late, and have the early flight out... even if you can afford a $100/night JFK hotel... the hassle and time it takes to get out to the hotel is worth giving up free HBO...
no crew car or shuttle to downtown destinations... this is simply a place to lay your tired head... |
What about company provided crashpads/airport shuttle? Building a pilot dormitory at the airport would cost too much $ and there is very little space to work with.
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Originally Posted by OldManReverend
(Post 670553)
i was trying to suggest an option where you get in late, and have the early flight out... even if you can afford a $100/night JFK hotel... the hassle and time it takes to get out to the hotel is worth giving up free HBO...
no crew car or shuttle to downtown destinations... this is simply a place to lay your tired head... |
Originally Posted by Av8rking
(Post 670137)
Unfortunately, at airports such as JFK, the cheapest hotel option, even at a crew rate, is still about $100 per night. OldManReverend, I think you're idea is great.
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Originally Posted by nigelcobalt
(Post 670590)
If I were a commuter, this would be the best idea ever. There are even times when doing 2 day back to backs (or other combinations of late release, early show) where it would make sense. I think its a great idea. I have often wondered why they don't do this already. If I recall, I saw a usa today article about a large airport doing this for passengers (heathrow maybe?) where they could rent a small room by the hour. That made me wonder why they don't have this for pilots.
Seriously, crustacean said it better then I could have. You guys took these jobs with lofty dreams of upgrading in 3 years. You have no one to blame but yourself. Now you are looking for ideas from everyone else to help better your situation. The pilots of Colgan 3407 made some terrible mistakes before they even got into that airplane. Being tired didn't cause them to crash. Their lack of being a professional did. They should not have flown that flight if they were fatigued. Period. Yes, the pay and work rules suck. If you don't like them, or if you don't think you can live on the wages they pay, in the base they want you at, and be able to show up to work well rested, then DON'T work for that company. Otherwise, you're putting yourself at risk. If the word would get out about how crummy it is to work for these companies, then just maybe, the pay and work rules would get better. But that isn't going to happen when someone is just itchin' to take your place. |
Originally Posted by Flatspin
(Post 670110)
What kind of grown man would stay in barrack style housing for $30k/yr?? I think most would just find different work and not deal with it.
I think they already make things called hotels. I did! Have you ever been in the military? Ever slept in a tent in the middle dessert? |
Originally Posted by OldManReverend
(Post 670077)
This thread is just me thinking out loud, but here are some ideas I've been thinkin about and wanted to get you guys' "Constructive opinions".
Pilot Fatigue has been one of the topics in the crash of Colgan 3407, and the other thread stating 3407 could happen again, with sleeping in the crew lounge kinda sparked me to write my thoughts out. My brother is General Contractor, and ever since 3407, he's been a little intrigued with how crappy his little brother's QOL is. (me :D) So we've been talking about different ideas such as a low cost crew hotel within the airport. Hear me out. IDEA #1--- I've stayed at some places on an army base overseas. hundreds of bunk beds in a big open room, with scattered red lights so you can see but not bright enough to keep you from sleeping. with lockers in between bunks. community showers/ washrooms down the hall. Just a place to sleep, and thats all, dayshift, nightshift... it didnt matter it was always quiet and dark in there... seemed to work great for the military. IDEA #2--- Actual hotel style rooms, personal bathroom, but no mini-fridge.:p My brother argues that civillian america won't buy the barrack-style type of housing. still not sure about whether bedding should be supplied or if it should be BYOB =). anyways. it caters to those with needs for privacy. Pros- -eliminates ride to hotel/crashpad -better than a couch in the crewroom -hopefully it's realistically cheaper than a hotel/crashpad -on airport premises. Cons- -Really Possible? -theft -cannot be permanent address;) -male F/A's Questions... 1.) How much would you realistically be willing to spend per night for either place? 2.) How could we make this secure for pilots/crew only. ie. memberships, Please only constructive responses please. I understand it's not going to happen tomorrow, but just lookin to get your thoughts. Feel free to add some of your own ideas. Copy and Paste this to answer*************************** I prefer idea #___, because ___________ some additional pros... - - - some additional cons... - - - Answers 1.) 2.) I have lived in the crewroom. Took baths using handiwipes in the bathroom. Couldn't find a crashpad at the time and it was the only option. At least the air conditioning was always on and it was quiet at night. I would want my own bathroom, so number 2. As for the quip about male F/A's - are you so full of yourself that you think every gay male in the world wants you? I can assure you (not from a personal perspective) that they, in fact, ARE NOT! Don't go flattering yourself. |
Originally Posted by OldManReverend
(Post 670077)
This thread is just me thinking out loud, but here are some ideas I've been thinkin about and wanted to get you guys' "Constructive opinions".
Pilot Fatigue has been one of the topics in the crash of Colgan 3407, and the other thread stating 3407 could happen again, with sleeping in the crew lounge kinda sparked me to write my thoughts out. My brother is General Contractor, and ever since 3407, he's been a little intrigued with how crappy his little brother's QOL is. (me :D) So we've been talking about different ideas such as a low cost crew hotel within the airport. Hear me out. IDEA #1--- I've stayed at some places on an army base overseas. hundreds of bunk beds in a big open room, with scattered red lights so you can see but not bright enough to keep you from sleeping. with lockers in between bunks. community showers/ washrooms down the hall. Just a place to sleep, and thats all, dayshift, nightshift... it didnt matter it was always quiet and dark in there... seemed to work great for the military. IDEA #2--- Actual hotel style rooms, personal bathroom, but no mini-fridge.:p My brother argues that civillian america won't buy the barrack-style type of housing. still not sure about whether bedding should be supplied or if it should be BYOB =). anyways. it caters to those with needs for privacy. Pros- -eliminates ride to hotel/crashpad -better than a couch in the crewroom -hopefully it's realistically cheaper than a hotel/crashpad -on airport premises. Cons- -Really Possible? -theft -cannot be permanent address;) -male F/A's Questions... 1.) How much would you realistically be willing to spend per night for either place? 2.) How could we make this secure for pilots/crew only. ie. memberships, Please only constructive responses please. I understand it's not going to happen tomorrow, but just lookin to get your thoughts. Feel free to add some of your own ideas. Copy and Paste this to answer*************************** I prefer idea #___, because ___________ some additional pros... - - - some additional cons... - - - Answers 1.) 2.) |
Crew Room
I just can't believe after 35 years in this industry why we prostitute ourselves.
Just live in base, give up on the commute deal. Make the employer pay you a liveable wage and then you can start the climb back to where our profession was before it was sold out by the kids. TransMach |
Originally Posted by TransMach
(Post 670617)
I just can't believe after 35 years in this industry why we prostitute ourselves.
Just live in base, give up on the commute deal. Make the employer pay you a liveable wage and then you can start the climb back to where our profession was before it was sold out by the kids. TransMach |
Originally Posted by Pontius Pilot
(Post 670625)
Problem is living in base is unrealistic these days. I can't even count how many displacements Eagle has had in the last 12 months. Many of us have houses, spouses with good jobs, children with friends and in schools they love. You can't just up and move every time management gets a wild burr up their keisters. Commuting isn't a lifestyle choice like Peter Bowler contends, its a fact of life and a necessity.
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Singapore's airport has hotels inside security in all three terminals that cost about $25 for 6 hours. It's completely no frills, just a bed and a table with a lamp alarm clock on it. There is a bathroom 'down the hall' that is very clean and has individual shower rooms. I have always wondered why we can't have something like that here.
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Originally Posted by TransMach
(Post 670617)
I just can't believe after 35 years in this industry why we prostitute ourselves.
Just live in base, give up on the commute deal. Make the employer pay you a liveable wage and then you can start the climb back to where our profession was before it was sold out by the kids. TransMach For the rest of us...not so much. |
The poll is missing:
* have company-provided hotel in base (only have to jumpseat in). * have company-provided hotel in base. |
Originally Posted by flyfresno
(Post 670640)
Singapore's airport has hotels inside security in all three terminals that cost about $25 for 6 hours. It's completely no frills, just a bed and a table with a lamp alarm clock on it. There is a bathroom 'down the hall' that is very clean and has individual shower rooms. I have always wondered why we can't have something like that here.
about the male F/A comment... only a joke... but let's all flip out about it... whatta ya say?:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by aviatormjc
(Post 670572)
What about company provided crashpads/airport shuttle? Building a pilot dormitory at the airport would cost too much $ and there is very little space to work with.
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Originally Posted by Semaphore Sam
(Post 670144)
I really do NOT understand why, with the conditions offered by Regionals, crewmembers don't take advantage of overseas possibilities. Can they really be worse than what's now on offer in the States? 3 times salaries on offer here, tax-free (both local and US), housing-schooling for kids provided, no commute, better days-off, good travel benefits...why fight these battles with management, when much better terms are on offer elseware? For a "future", which we all know doesn't exist? Answers, please!
Sorry but the grass is not always greener on the other side of the world and one must really think long and hard about making the jump to a foreign carrier. Sorry for the thread drift . Fred |
Originally Posted by crustacean
(Post 670267)
Listen, when you signed up for this job, nothing was hidden from you...You knew exactly what you were getting into, probably long before you even showed up for an interview. I honestly fail to see why the burden of your bad decision making should be placed on someone else's shoulders.
The airline you're working for told you up front how much you'd be making per hour (and, like I said, you probably did research before you went to the interview). They told you their monthly guarantee, training contract, per diem, etc. If you couldn't afford to live off of that, you should not have taken the job. It's as simple as that. I didn't know that Delta was going to give half our planes away or park them in the desert. I didn't know that my pay was going to be cut $14,000 a year by a bankruptcy judge. I didn't know that I would be a reserve FO going into my 7th year. I didn't know that Delta was going to move most of our operation to JFK. I must have not been paying attention during the interview. When I came to Comair in 2003... There was only one hub - CVG. There was only one pilot domicile - CVG. There was only one headquarters - CVG. So I moved to CVG. Now Delta wants me in JFnK but they cut our pass priority and flights. I will not devote $400 of my $2800 monthly salary to setting up a second residence in New York City. Please tell me where my "bad decision making" came into play here? |
Originally Posted by crustacean
(Post 670267)
I prefer hidden idea #3, because #1 and #2 are completely asinine.
Listen, when you signed up for this job, nothing was hidden from you. This wasn't some sort of mystery game where you were strung along and things were told to you piece by piece, bit by bit. You knew exactly what you were getting into, probably long before you even showed up for an interview. I honestly fail to see why the burden of your bad decision making should be placed on someone else's shoulders. The airline you're working for told you up front how much you'd be making per hour (and, like I said, you probably did research before you went to the interview). They told you their monthly guarantee, training contract, per diem, etc. If you couldn't afford to live off of that, you should not have taken the job. It's as simple as that. If your financial situation is so backwards that you have to sleep on a filthy drooled on couch in a crew room, wear unwashed wrinkled clothes, and eat out of a lunch pail for X number of days because the per diem you're making needs to go to something other than food, then it's time to reevaluate your life. I mean, seriously, what's wrong with some of you? You managed to learn multiple aircraft systems, pass multiple checkrides, written exams, etc and yet some of you run around acting like you don't have the brains you were born with. Wake up, people. Wake the hell up. (P.S., I'm in no way endorsing the pathetic and disgusting state of the industry.) |
Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 671550)
I'm sure your airline keeps their promises, but when I came to Comair in 2003 I didn't know that Mesa, Pinnacle, Shuttle, Chautauqua, etc. were going to be doing 80% of the flying in CVG.
I didn't know that Delta was going to give half our planes away or park them in the desert. I didn't know that my pay was going to be cut $14,000 a year by a bankruptcy judge. I didn't know that I would be a reserve FO going into my 7th year. I didn't know that Delta was going to move most of our operation to JFK. I must have not been paying attention during the interview. When I came to Comair in 2003... There was only one hub - CVG. There was only one pilot domicile - CVG. There was only one headquarters - CVG. So I moved to CVG. Now Delta wants me in JFnK but they cut our pass priority and flights. I will not devote $400 of my $2800 monthly salary to setting up a second residence in New York City. Please tell me where my "bad decision making" came into play here? Doesn't change the fact that it sucks, and sure being based in JFnK sucks for you, but I think the point the guy was trying to make is that I doubt anyone ever promised you upgrades and a CVG domicile forever - so now you have to make a choice. Stay or go. IMHO, your bad decision was becoming a pilot if you did not understand the crappy nature of the "job security" that pilot's have. Flame away. |
Originally Posted by skywatch
(Post 671969)
Not trying to start something, but Comair promised you in the interview that none of that stuff was ever going to happen? I doubt it. You just assumed it wasn't going to change maybe?
So I raised my BS flag, that's all.
Originally Posted by crustacean
(Post 670267)
Listen, when you signed up for this job, nothing was hidden from you. This wasn't some sort of mystery game where you were strung along and things were told to you piece by piece, bit by bit. You knew exactly what you were getting into, probably long before you even showed up for an interview. I honestly fail to see why the burden of your bad decision making should be placed on someone else's shoulders.
So I consider that broken promises. |
Those of us who start our careers at the regionals had no inkling of the lengths that management would go to in creating phony bankruptcies, reducing fleets, and changing domiciles. It is not a crime, nor naive to believe, when hired by a company that they actually want you there, and have the best interests of the business, their customers, and their employees in mind.
You train, get your ratings, put in your time in good faith, and expect that your employer will treat you well. Not unreasonable, and no company manager or ALPA rep. is at your flight school or at your interview to discouraging you from pursuing flying. We need to focus our blame not on the pilots, who have absolutely NO control over contracts and working conditions (don't like the wages? ok, we'll reassign your aircraft to brand Y...) but where it belongs: On the ALPA lawyers (contract administrators) and ALPA reps at the majors who allowed the outsourcing to the regionals. I find it laughable that legacy pilots point the finger at the poor regional schmuck, while they continually grant concessions to "save" their own asses. "Live to Fight Another Day"....ALPA's motto Woerth, Prater, Jalmer Johnson, Bruce York at alpa don't live under the concessions they jam down our throats! Pitchforks and torches to alpa natl.! |
I live in base so it's basically a moot point for me, but I'd vote for option 1. Also I usually ignore it, but who the heck asked the major pilots to come down off their thrones and tell us. It's the regional forum and we don't need you telling us how we could just make more money. Thanks for the constructive suggestions...... You weren't just born major airline pilots you know, you must have been something else first and probably you made less then. Don't come here and spout how we did it to ourselves, yes I'm sure we're all aware of that, however when someone tells you you'll make X it doesn't really register how little X is until you're living on it. For the record I do just fine on my X, I live in base and I have a fairly cheap lifestyle. Rant over
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Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 671550)
I'm sure your airline keeps their promises, but when I came to Comair in 2003 I didn't know that Mesa, Pinnacle, Shuttle, Chautauqua, etc. were going to be doing 80% of the flying in CVG.
I didn't know that Delta was going to give half our planes away or park them in the desert. I didn't know that my pay was going to be cut $14,000 a year by a bankruptcy judge. I didn't know that I would be a reserve FO going into my 7th year. I didn't know that Delta was going to move most of our operation to JFK. I must have not been paying attention during the interview. When I came to Comair in 2003... There was only one hub - CVG. There was only one pilot domicile - CVG. There was only one headquarters - CVG. So I moved to CVG. Now Delta wants me in JFnK but they cut our pass priority and flights. I will not devote $400 of my $2800 monthly salary to setting up a second residence in New York City. Please tell me where my "bad decision making" came into play here? Despite all of these things happening to you, doesn't give you the right to show up fatigued because you didn't want to have a crashpad or have a place in base. I'm just saying ... haha |
Originally Posted by nigelcobalt
(Post 670423)
I have thought of this before, and I have always wondered why airlines don't get into the hotel business. I mean they spend millions each year, why not start some type of crew quarters like has been mentioned.
#2 would get my vote. For me, I would actually like to stay at the airport on overnights provided: There are shuttles (or crew cars) provided by the company to downtown or other areas of interest. Per Diem is raised. Company chef provided. Just kidding, sort of. |
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