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AirbornPegasus 09-05-2009 08:11 PM

Understanding the state of the IBT managing the RAH contract may help a few of the RAH bashers.

1. It was sooooo bad that Mr. Hoffa himself had to step in and appoint new leadership.
2. The new leadership has been in place less than four months.
3. Probably 90% of the RAH pilots where thrilled to have the new leadership and fully support them.
4. The unions are working through the CBA, merging the seniority lists and establishing the new pay rates.
5. The IBT has not given direction to the RAH pilot to anything but show up for work.

Doing anything but showing up for work and flying what they are told right now would be treason against the union and result in absolute termination by the company. When the union says not to fly, few if any RAH pilots will show up to work. Until then, all the RAH pilots are doing EXACTLY what all the flame bait, keyboard commando's would do -- except they are being incredibly professional about it. I have not seen or heard one RAH pilot bragging, supporting, or even discussing the 190's in anything but a negative light. 60% of them planned on a quick upgrade and to be gone in four or five years. Now many of them will be waiting on an upgrade for up to ten years. Do you think they are thrilled with that?

Except for the Midwest Pilots (who are the pawns in all of this), the rest of you need to grow up, put your big boy pants on and recognize that very soon your management could put you in a very similar position. Skywest will likely be announcing some pretty dramatic changes to their organization and flying in the VERY near future. Will the they be the next target of the bottom feeders.

Give this thing three months and much of this will be worked out -- good, bad or indifferent. Until the RAH pilots actually have a voice in the matter cut them some slack.

nigelcobalt 09-05-2009 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by AirbornPegasus (Post 673859)
Understanding the state of the IBT managing the RAH contract may help a few of the RAH bashers.

1. It was sooooo bad that Mr. Hoffa himself had to step in and appoint new leadership.
2. The new leadership has been in place less than four months.
3. Probably 90% of the RAH pilots where thrilled to have the new leadership and fully support them.
4. The unions are working through the CBA, merging the seniority lists and establishing the new pay rates.
5. The IBT has not given direction to the RAH pilot to anything but show up for work.

Doing anything but showing up for work and flying what they are told right now would be treason against the union and result in absolute termination by the company. When the union says not to fly, few if any RAH pilots will show up to work. Until then, all the RAH pilots are doing EXACTLY what all the flame bait, keyboard commando's would do -- except they are being incredibly professional about it. I have not seen or heard one RAH pilot bragging, supporting, or even discussing the 190's in anything but a negative light. 60% of them planned on a quick upgrade and to be gone in four or five years. Now many of them will be waiting on an upgrade for up to ten years. Do you think they are thrilled with that?

Except for the Midwest Pilots (who are the pawns in all of this), the rest of you need to grow up, put your big boy pants on and recognize that very soon your management could put you in a very similar position. Skywest will likely be announcing some pretty dramatic changes to their organization and flying in the VERY near future. Will the they be the next target of the bottom feeders.

Give this thing three months and much of this will be worked out -- good, bad or indifferent. Until the RAH pilots actually have a voice in the matter cut them some slack.

Which is why a much improved contract is in desperate need for the fo's that WILL be in the right seat for the next 10 years. (And much needed industry wide btw).

As far as SkyWest, what are you possibly talking about? Seems like you have some idea, or are you just trying to divert attention?

XSive 09-05-2009 08:37 PM

Republic is a desease to this industry.....lets all enjoy the race to the bottom while they suck down our careers with them ..yay!...

But they are all excited..they might get to fly A320s soon....hahahahah...yeah at $65 CA and $35/hr fo ....thanks Republic. You have finally done it. You have lowered the bar sooooo far that I now understand that I will never make a livable, respectable wage as an airline pilot.. Enjoy

HUNTERB 09-05-2009 08:38 PM

Just wondering how many senior pilot bid the 190? Did it go junior or were you guys just greedy? If any senior pilots did bid it is a slap in the face of every Midwest pilot who's flying you are stealing!!!!!!

ToiletDuck 09-05-2009 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 673452)
I am glad the union is grieving this, but why don't the pilots just not fly the 190? After all, you have no contract to fly an aircraft with that many seats.

Considering you worked here you should know the answer to that very well and not try to fan the fires. You should also know what legalities are allowed with the introduction of a new aircraft. Check your old contract.

Gear Swinger 09-05-2009 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by XSive (Post 673866)
Republic is a desease to this industry.....lets all enjoy the race to the bottom while they suck down our careers with them ..yay!...

But they are all excited..they might get to fly A320s soon....hahahahah...yeah at $65 CA and $35/hr fo ....thanks Republic. You have finally done it. You have lowered the bar sooooo far that I now understand that I will never make a livable, respectable wage as an airline pilot.. Enjoy

Regardless of whether or not this is flamebait; given the spelling and grammatical errors, as well as what was posted just prior to your reply... I'm going to go with the "You're-not-too-bright" card. Still, you're entertaining in an "APC" kind of way.

aewanabe 09-06-2009 06:23 AM

I've pretty consistently defended RAH against the mindless bashing. However, what's with IBT not talking to or holding meetings with YX ALPA? These guys are going to be unemployed in the immediate future, with jobs directly replaced by RAH 190 drivers? Why the crickets from IBT 747 and/or the pilot group?

EVpilot 09-06-2009 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by StallFail (Post 673360)
Why does this matter to anyone, ever?

Either way, they are flying airplanes that belong to a mainline carrier. I'm not saying that the repulic pilots are bad, its just their bosses. That airplane is simply to big to fly for those wages.

How do you come up with the idea that the 190 belongs to a mainline carrier? What carrier would that be? This whole argument is getting old.

TrojanCMH 09-06-2009 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by aewanabe (Post 673935)
I've pretty consistently defended RAH against the mindless bashing. However, what's with IBT not talking to or holding meetings with YX ALPA? These guys are going to be unemployed in the immediate future, with jobs directly replaced by RAH 190 drivers? Why the crickets from IBT 747 and/or the pilot group?

I have talked to some of the union people about this same thing and the same answer I keep getting is that they need to wait until all parties are present to begin negotiations. Is it BS? Possibly. But our council has advised us to wait.

ASAnotASAP 09-06-2009 08:10 AM

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