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pilot124 09-06-2009 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Dirty Rat (Post 674090)
It is your fault for what has happen to Midwest. You have taken our jobs. We are using every legal way possible to get them back. If that means kicking your ass off an aircraft that is flying our routes with our name on it, than so be it. You people amaze me. How do you tell a donkey he is an ass when he thinks he is a Quarter horse?

Did your management have anything to do with Midwest demise? Maybe Midwest mgmt should do what they do best and start a bakery and make cookies. I am getting tired of your negativity aimed at our pilot group while you give your mgmt a pass. :mad:

flyguy23 09-06-2009 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 674128)
You fail to understand what RAH has done, and you are distorting the chain of events to suit your own opinion, rather than objectively looking at what happened.

When RAH became the replacement company for all but 9 of Midwest's 717's they were hired to replace existing planes and crews... They weren't being hired to bring in more feed, or to expand the route structure, they were brought in as a direct replacement. How you can not understand that is beyond comprehension...

The fact that many months later RAH bought midwest is not relevant to RAH's actions up until that point. Midwest furloughed pilots and contracted with a replacement company, as assuredly as if they had hired individual replacement workers directly.


Im going to waste time to actually respond to this. RAH was not a replacement company. It was a bandaide used by a company scheduled to lose all its airplanes. The initial agreement had midwest crews taking over RAH airplanes in the end. Republic had 17 planes sitting around burning a hole in the company pocket. Midwest gave Bedford an opportunity to put those back into service and generate some revenue.

At the time, midwest was in no position to buy new planes. The only fix they could come up with was the agreement with RAH. We all know how that turned out and its unfortunate. However, none of these events make 1 pilot on the RAH list a scab, period, end of story.

Instead of crying over history that cannot be changed or altered, maybe this effort should be put into building a stronger pilot group at the new RAH. Securing a better contract and making the best of the situation. Or we can sit around and sling mud at each other as nothing gets accomplished.

Ratherbeoffwork 09-06-2009 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 673576)
I'm not asking pilots as individuals to not fly it. I'm asking the union to step up and tell the company pilots will not fly this aircraft until a Letter of Agreement is signed with pay rates for it. The union should keep the pilots from being assigned illegal flying. This is where ALPA is better than Teamsters. I hate ALPA, but I think they would handle this situation a little better than the Republic pilots' union is handling it. The actions of the Republic pilots speak louder than words.

I tried to keep my mouth shut, but it's keyboard commados like you that break my silence. You worked for RAH right? You voted for the 2003 contract right? If not, you signed it and worked under it's rules. If you're so knowledgable about this situation, then you of all people should know about Article 21 of our contract. It's been quoted on page 2 of this thread. Take a look at it. Remind yourself of the crap contract you negotiated years ago at your stepping stone while on your freakin high horse. The union is following the contract and getting new rates under said article under a specific timeline. It should take about 9 months. So Hockeypilot, before you continue to talk trash, I implore you to look in the mirror and ask yourself who is responsible for what is happening to RAH pilots right now.

MD80 09-06-2009 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 674125)
Get real...no line was crossed, therefore the term scab is not appropriate at all. That "replacement company" hasn't been hired, its the one running the show. RAH bought midwest. You fail to understand that.


Wrong. It's a merger... Republic and TPG are partners in this deal.


Item 2.01
Completion of Acquisition or Disposition of Assets.


On July 31, 2009, pursuant to the terms of the Agreement and Plan of Merger, dated as of June 23, 2009, among Republic Airways Holdings Inc. (the “Company”), RJET Acquisition, Inc. and Midwest Air Group, Inc. (“MAG”), as amended (the “Merger Agreement”), RJET Acquisition, Inc. merged with and into MAG (the “Merger”) with MAG continuing as the surviving corporation and becoming a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Company. Pursuant to the Merger Agreement, at the effective time of the Merger.....

BoilerUP 09-06-2009 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 674141)
Wrong. It's a merger... Republic and TPG are partners in this deal.

While technically correct because that's what the 8-K says, your own excerpt shows that Midwest Air Group merged with "RJET Acquisition, Inc.", not Republic Airways Holdings (an important distinction to make). While the surviving corporation from that merger with RJET Acquisition will be Midwest Air Group, MAG will be a wholly-owned subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings.

So for all intents and purposes, RAH *did* acquire Midwest Air Group.

Ratherbeoffwork 09-06-2009 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by aewanabe (Post 673935)
I've pretty consistently defended RAH against the mindless bashing. However, what's with IBT not talking to or holding meetings with YX ALPA? These guys are going to be unemployed in the immediate future, with jobs directly replaced by RAH 190 drivers? Why the crickets from IBT 747 and/or the pilot group?

From the union members I've talked to, we have tried many times to have meetings with YX, but they just bypassed us and went straight to the arbitrator. So who is really trying here?

Mason32 09-06-2009 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 674148)
While technically correct because that's what the 8-K says, your own excerpt shows that Midwest Air Group merged with "RJET Acquisition, Inc.", not Republic Airways Holdings (an important distinction to make). While the surviving corporation from that merger with RJET Acquisition will be Midwest Air Group, MAG will be a wholly-owned subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings.

So for all intents and purposes, RAH *did* acquire Midwest Air Group.

You'll make that arguement with a straight face, but won't admitt that RAH is basically a s c a b company... as you say... for all intents and purposes.

Mason32 09-06-2009 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 674131)
*** do you think happened after 9/11?

Mainline planes were parked and mainline pilots furloughed while regional planes grew (in number and in size) while regional pilots grew at double-digit rates.

By your logic, every single regional pilot that wasn't already employed at 8am on Sept. 11th, 2001 is a replacement worker.

W T F do you think happened after 9/11?

Mainline planes were parked and mainline pilots furloughed while regional planes grew (in number and in size) while regional pilots grew at double-digit rates.

By your logic, every single regional pilot that wasn't already employed at 8am on Sept. 11th, 2001 is a replacement worker.


What the heck did any of that posting have to do with the conversation we were having?

Did you take things out of chronological order to try and make your point; yes you did. Did I point it out; yes I did. So, argue the facts instead fo trying to muddy the waters with irrelevant BS.

GAPILOT36 09-06-2009 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dirty Rat http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
It is your fault for what has happen to Midwest. You have taken our jobs. We are using every legal way possible to get them back. If that means kicking your ass off an aircraft that is flying our routes with our name on it, than so be it. You people amaze me. How do you tell a donkey he is an ass when he thinks he is a Quarter horse?

DIRTY RAT....that is exactly what u are. I am an RAH 24 yr old Captain who would eat your lunch if you stepped foot in my cockpit with that attitude. You and your "cookie company" can go on the street with that. Thats where trash like you should be. Grow up!

Fletch727 09-06-2009 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by GAPILOT36 (Post 674157)
Originally Posted by Dirty Rat http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
It is your fault for what has happen to Midwest. You have taken our jobs. We are using every legal way possible to get them back. If that means kicking your ass off an aircraft that is flying our routes with our name on it, than so be it. You people amaze me. How do you tell a donkey he is an ass when he thinks he is a Quarter horse?

DIRTY RAT....that is exactly what u are. I am an RAH 24 yr old Captain who would eat your lunch if you stepped foot in my cockpit with that attitude. You and your "cookie company" can go on the street with that. Thats where trash like you should be. Grow up!


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