Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 674116)

your right that most of us at places with decent contracts didnt earn those contracts in negotiations but WE DID CHOOSE our carrier for those reasons. DId we go to the first place to say yes? probably not. Those places with halfway decent contracts were harder to get hired at way back when everyone was hiring.

In my opinion, you and every colgan employee should be ashamed of how you are treated and paid. You ARE NOT a small turbo-prop carrier anymore and its time to quit being sorry for yourselves. Your pilot group is pathetic for working under those conditions for that small amount of pay for the amount of lift you are providing. I know your company has it problems but there are ways to show solidarity and to get your point across to management via slowdowns and maintenance right ups. I am afraid that wont happen because of the caliber of applicant who your company hired who are just happier then pigs in mud to be employed and getting a measly paycheck.

Good thing those people worked so hard to earn those contracts before your company decided to swoop in and undermine their hard work. Your company flying those airplanes has brought the pay and work rules that were previously on that lift back to the stone ages. You want us to be excited for you guys starting negotiations? The negotiations have been ongoing well before your company decided to fly airplanes for CAL. the arrival of the q400 operated by colgan has been nothing but a major set back for pilot pay and work rules. Even if you do get a good contract with an industry leading pay rate.... just wait until someone comes in and underbids you. Great Lakes flying a q400 and expanding all over the place with brand new people too excited about shiny new airplanes to care about the profession or making a mortgage payment.

Originally Posted by brewpilot (Post 674146)

Management is the devil in this one

Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 674116)

your right that most of us at places with decent contracts didnt earn those contracts in negotiations but WE DID CHOOSE our carrier for those reasons. DId we go to the first place to say yes? probably not. Those places with halfway decent contracts were harder to get hired at way back when everyone was hiring.

In my opinion, you and every colgan employee should be ashamed of how you are treated and paid. You ARE NOT a small turbo-prop carrier anymore and its time to quit being sorry for yourselves. Your pilot group is pathetic for working under those conditions for that small amount of pay for the amount of lift you are providing. I know your company has it problems but there are ways to show solidarity and to get your point across to management via slowdowns and maintenance right ups. I am afraid that wont happen because of the caliber of applicant who your company hired who are just happier then pigs in mud to be employed and getting a measly paycheck.

Good thing those people worked so hard to earn those contracts before your company decided to swoop in and undermine their hard work. Your company flying those airplanes has brought the pay and work rules that were previously on that lift back to the stone ages. You want us to be excited for you guys starting negotiations? The negotiations have been ongoing well before your company decided to fly airplanes for CAL. the arrival of the q400 operated by colgan has been nothing but a major set back for pilot pay and work rules. Even if you do get a good contract with an industry leading pay rate.... just wait until someone comes in and underbids you. Great Lakes flying a q400 and expanding all over the place with brand new people too excited about shiny new airplanes to care about the profession or making a mortgage payment.

Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 674116)

your right that most of us at places with decent contracts didnt earn those contracts in negotiations but WE DID CHOOSE our carrier for those reasons. DId we go to the first place to say yes? probably not. Those places with halfway decent contracts were harder to get hired at way back when everyone was hiring.

In my opinion, you and every colgan employee should be ashamed of how you are treated and paid. You ARE NOT a small turbo-prop carrier anymore and its time to quit being sorry for yourselves. Your pilot group is pathetic for working under those conditions for that small amount of pay for the amount of lift you are providing. I know your company has it problems but there are ways to show solidarity and to get your point across to management via slowdowns and maintenance right ups. I am afraid that wont happen because of the caliber of applicant who your company hired who are just happier then pigs in mud to be employed and getting a measly paycheck.

Good thing those people worked so hard to earn those contracts before your company decided to swoop in and undermine their hard work. Your company flying those airplanes has brought the pay and work rules that were previously on that lift back to the stone ages. You want us to be excited for you guys starting negotiations? The negotiations have been ongoing well before your company decided to fly airplanes for CAL. the arrival of the q400 operated by colgan has been nothing but a major set back for pilot pay and work rules. Even if you do get a good contract with an industry leading pay rate.... just wait until someone comes in and underbids you. Great Lakes flying a q400 and expanding all over the place with brand new people too excited about shiny new airplanes to care about the profession or making a mortgage payment.

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 674211)

Assuming you work at a regional yourself, I am sure that your subsidized mainline counterpart may feel the same way about you and your company.

Judging by your name, I'm guessing that you work for ExpressJet. If that is the case, then you are flying Continental Mainline routes for a quarter of the pay and a fraction of the work rules.

Keep on knocking down the pilots at Colgan though, I'm sure it will help you out in your own career progression.

Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 674116)

In my opinion, you and every colgan employee should be ashamed of how you are treated and paid. You ARE NOT a small turbo-prop carrier anymore and its time to quit being sorry for yourselves. Your pilot group is pathetic for working under those conditions for that small amount of pay for the amount of lift you are providing.

Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 674116)

Even if you do get a good contract with an industry leading pay rate.... just wait until someone comes in and underbids you. Great Lakes flying a q400 and expanding all over the place with brand new people too excited about shiny new airplanes to care about the profession or making a mortgage payment.

Originally Posted by IQuitEagle (Post 674244)

Aren't they at least trying to make things better? If they really were feeling "sorry" for themselves, they wouldn't even bother.



So now you're saying why bother at all?:confused: They should just keep the conditions that they have? That's hardly a solution.

At least getting a real contract with real pay rates will be a step in the right direction. Hopefully it will be the first in a long series!

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 674292)

A common argument I hear repeatedly from Colgan pilots is "We are trying to change our airline. What have you done for the industry"? I think this a pretty lame argument. What kind of professional goes around looking for the most sh*&%y company they can find just so they can change it from the inside. What same person does this? I have never heard this argument outside of aviation. Everyone I know looks for the highest paying job at the best companies. Am I supposed to believe Colgan pilots are taking the fat chick home for the team?

Originally Posted by IQuitEagle (Post 674244)

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Originally Posted by newarkblows
Even if you do get a good contract with an industry leading pay rate.... just wait until someone comes in and underbids you. Great Lakes flying a q400 and expanding all over the place with brand new people too excited about shiny new airplanes to care about the profession or making a mortgage payment.

So now you're saying why bother at all? They should just keep the conditions that they have?

Originally Posted by GlobeTreker (Post 674292)

A common argument I hear repeatedly from Colgan pilots is "We are trying to change our airline. What have you done for the industry"? I think this a pretty lame argument. What kind of professional goes around looking for the most sh*&%y company they can find just so they can change it from the inside. What same person does this? I have never heard this argument outside of aviation. Everyone I know looks for the highest paying job at the best companies. Am I supposed to believe Colgan pilots are taking the fat chick home for the team?