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Originally Posted by gtechpilot
(Post 677694)
Flight benefits are a negotiated privilege, not something ASA provides out of the goodness of their hearts. Our union negotiated the benefit for one group but not the second? Why is that acceptable?
That being said, in the next contract I'm sure it will be something to go for, but that's no consolation for you. |
Originally Posted by John Pennekamp
(Post 677254)
I got the lowdown directly from the source today (an ASA ALPA PBS negotiator).
You all are going to like this. We got most of what we asked for. It will not be anything like what SkyWest has... more like what DAL has. We also got some "problems" with the current contract fixed. Most importantly, ASA has agreed that there will be no need for additional furloughs. The "source" says ASA management thinks this is going to cause us to grow like crazy. I beg you all (ASA pilots) to wait for the details to become public before deciding. Don't listen to the pundits at other airlines telling you PBS sucks. We are completely reinventing it. Those tho know me know I'm one of ALPA's biggest critics, but after hearing the details, I have to admit I'm impressed. We got a good PBS system, yet DID NOT overreach. The process is going to be slow. Don't expect implementation for at least six months. Stay tuned as info becomes public. |
Originally Posted by gtechpilot
(Post 677681)
...And if the 20 50-seaters don't find work, expect more furloughs, even with PBS.
One thing that I think causes alot of the negative thinking and a "dark tunnel" future is because the company keeps their lips shut about everything. If any good news comes ASA's way such as a new RFP, new planes, etc... we'll read about it hear or on a news channel first. Then later that day or the next day we'll see it on ourASA. They've learned to just not say anything and tell SH, CT, chief pilots etc... to keep their mouths shut until the news is officially out. |
.................. forget it
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Originally Posted by gtechpilot
(Post 677694)
Flight benefits are a negotiated privilege, not something ASA provides out of the goodness of their hearts. Our union negotiated the benefit for one group but not the second? Why is that acceptable? And personally, I don't like or trust union leadership who is ok with being told to pound sand. But, I don't get a voice in the next election so just blowing smoke here. ;)
You seem awfully bitter and that's understandable, however you need to figure out how things work. Who do we get our pass benefits through???? DELTA. Delta provides our pass benefits and no matter how much of a negotiated BS thing you think they are, Delta provides the benefits and calls the shots. Hence the decrease to S3C and the paying 200 bucks per year when it used to be 50. From Scott's mouth, they asked Delta to provide the same 6 month pass benefits for the furloughed pilots and Delta said, in order to give them benefits, then Delta rides s3 on ASA. Well, obviously ASA told them hell no. |
Originally Posted by gtechpilot
(Post 677694)
Flight benefits are a negotiated privilege, not something ASA provides out of the goodness of their hearts. Our union negotiated the benefit for one group but not the second? Why is that acceptable? And personally, I don't like or trust union leadership who is ok with being told to pound sand. But, I don't get a voice in the next election so just blowing smoke here. ;)
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Originally Posted by Banshee365
(Post 677935)
Yea, what the above poster said. If ASA gives up the S3 boarding to Delta on ASA flights we'll never get it back. The furloughed pilots will come back and get their benefits.
If you are so hell bent on leaving ASA then why not just talk to a chief pilot when you need to fly anywhere, for an interview or whatever, and I'm sure they can help you out... Anyway, have fun with it! Regards, Marc Nicholson |
Originally Posted by sweptback
(Post 677703)
Well, we never had furloughed pilots before. Why waste negotiating capital on something that may never be used? We didn't have flight benefits until recently, as far as the history of ASA... I'm sure back then they never considered furloughing pilots.
That being said, in the next contract I'm sure it will be something to go for, but that's no consolation for you. |
Originally Posted by gtechpilot
(Post 677964)
Again, why was ASA able to get 6 months of benefits for a larger group and why did some MEC members claim credit for getting those benefits the first time around? I guarantee that giving up S3 was not the issue, especially because it came from SH! I give though, no more arguments from me!
Seriously? ASA kicked me to the street and said don't expect to come back for a year or more. You think I should be sitting on my ass the whole time? Do you even know what the job market is like right now? I'd honestly like to return - the pilot group in general is a great group of guys and I enjoy the work. So why the personal goading? BTW, the chief pilots were willing to offer buddy passes when we asked. Anyway, have fun with it! Regards, Marc Nicholson |
To you PBS doubters, let's wait and see the actual agreement before we decide.
Don't know who mentioned the RFPs, but I have strong intelligence from multiple sources inside and outside of ASA, that lowering our costs by agreeing to PBS, in conjunction with the stability of locking in another year of the contract bodes very, very well for us in the October United RFP. Coincidentally, that flying begins in April, when our 20 50s become available. IAD anyone? |
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