It's only a problem for those people that were hired with a wet commercial(less than 150 hours of PIC). FAA needs only 250 hours of PIC or SIC. ICAO needs 1200PIC to get an ATP with no restriction so you can fly outside the US. And of that you need at least 150 of actual PIC, the rest can be SIC but only half (.5) of total time. All that means is that you need to fly twice as much as an FO to achieve the PIC since SIC only counts as half. The problem I think is for those that don't have 150 hours of actual PIC, then they have to rent a 172 on the weekends.

 

I flew with CA's with the restriction. They were not allowed to fly internationally (Canada), but were ok for domestic ops.

 

considering the fact that our upgrade time has pushed past three years with company and we have fo's flying now with over 3000 hours, I don't think it will be a problem to find people on property to upgrade.

 

I hope your company is going to pay for the 172 rental. That shouldn't be your problem. This industry seems to be at the point where people are going to start paying just to have a job.

 

I think this needs to be pointed out more. So many people don't understand. When you get hired with 250 hours TT you will still need to go fly a 172 to get the PIC required for upgrade. I also hope no airline will pay for these guys to fly a 172, they had no business flying people with that little PIC time anyway. We had this problem a couple of years ago when the guys hired in the late 90s with little time went in to upgrade. They got to the oral and the check airman looked at their 8710 and showed them the door.

 

If they had no business flying then why were they hired? It seems to me that they were obviously qualified under the law or they wouldn't have been hired? I'm I missing something here? So if they didn't have enough PIC tome for upgrade, that should fall on there employers hands since they knew this in the interview.

If you look at the rest of the world they hire people with only 250 hours, and into larger jets then a Q400. Why should Americans be any different? I can only think of one reason why we shouldn't hire a 250 hour pilot. That's because obtaining a FAA certificate is a complete joke compared to most countries.

 

Roger That!

 

The employer did not hire them into the job description CRJ Captain, they were hired as CRJ First Officers, which required only a wet ink commercial (I got hired with relatively wet ink on mine, 420 hours, now I have 2000 and I fly a C207, with gobs of PIC time). Now as a CRJ First Officer they are allowed to upgrade when they become qualified and are senior enough, it is not the company's responsibility to qualify you to fly an aircraft, if you hadn't intended on being a professional FO (which people do) then you should have built your experience further before going to the airlines.

As far as "Why should American's be different?"...

There's a reason that a lot of the contract flying in the world is done by Americans, and as far as licensing is concerned the PPL and CPL are not up to the ICAO standards, however a US ATP with sufficient PIC time is worth a hundred fold it's weight in gold around the world.

 

61.159 Aeronautical experience: Airplane category rating.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b), (c), and (d) of this section, a person who is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category and class rating must have at least 1,500 hours of total time as a pilot that includes at least:
(1) 500 hours of cross-country flight time.
(2) 100 hours of night flight time.
(3) 75 hours of instrument flight time, in actual or simulated instrument conditions, subject to the following:
(i) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(3)(ii) of this section, an applicant may not receive credit for more than a total of 25 hours of simulated instrument time in a flight simulator or flight training device.
(ii) A maximum of 50 hours of training in a flight simulator or flight training device may be credited toward the instrument flight time requirements of paragraph (a)(3) of this section if the training was accomplished in a course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.
(iii) Training in a flight simulator or flight training device must be accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device, representing an airplane.
(4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least—
(i) 100 hours of cross-country flight time; and
(ii) 25 hours of night flight time.

A person should be able to easily meet ATP mins as an FO for any 121/135 airline. Therefore, no 172 rental required.

 

[QUOTE=COTriple7;685906]
(4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least—
(i) 100 hours of cross-country flight time; and
(ii) 25 hours of night flight time.

A person should be able to easily meet ATP mins as an FO for any 121/135 airline. Therefore, no 172 rental required.[/QUOT

So does the 100 hrs of xc need to be PIC? Can it be airport to airport, or 50nm?