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sinsilvia666 10-10-2009 05:01 PM

Why does Andrew get to get up? If he gets up, we'll all get up, IT'LL BE ANARCHY!!!

dojetdriver 10-10-2009 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by sinsilvia666 (Post 692081)
Why does Andrew get to get up? If he gets up, we'll all get up, IT'LL BE ANARCHY!!!


Could you describe the ruckus?

Shut up! And go fix me turkey pot pie!!

BeaglePilot 10-10-2009 06:16 PM

There are many here that pick up open time for straight pay. Overtime means you get paid some sort of premium for working the exrta hours. Not at colgan they expect you work on your day off for straight pay. But good luck explaining that the scheduling supervisor who has less than a high school education.

JoeyMeatballs 10-11-2009 07:04 AM

Do you guys have Advertised capability at Colgan? I think its one aspect that really comes in handy. Basically you can Advertise your whole trip or just part of it for other guys to pick up.

Speaking of, I am ADV a 2 day 12:00hr trip that gets done at 1pm on Wednesday, any EWR F/O's want it? (trip starts 11/13)

I am getting married this weekend so I need to get my Tux squared away:D

wow disregard, within 10 minutes of it being ADV, its already gone :) AWESOMENESS

dojetdriver 10-11-2009 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 692300)
I think its one aspect that really comes in handy. Basically you can Advertise your whole trip or just part of it for other guys to pick up.

That's assuming you have that option. Remember, there was a segment of our pilot group that didn't have that contractual option for well over a year. And the MEC was completely comfortable with letting the company violate the CBA on it.


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 692300)
wow disregard, within 10 minutes of it being ADV, its already gone :) AWESOMENESS

And imagine if that happened on the west coast. I seriously doubt we would have have the issue that spurned the flight ops audits had we had that capability.

Three Green 10-11-2009 07:54 PM

I thought Colgan just hired a bunch of guys.

JetPipeOverht 10-20-2009 08:52 AM

Chuck Norris picked up Open time once...... that was enough to solve the staffing issue for the rest of the year.

Mason32 10-20-2009 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by slipped (Post 691916)
Im just curious how this has anything to do w/ free speech?
The OP is making a suggestion, I dont see why that is a problem. Someone brought up a precedent of United, what happened there?


Gotta love new kids..... geeeesh.

Mason32 10-20-2009 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 692038)
Depends on the circumstances as to wether or not that's a valid rationale. Especially if you're comparing line bidding to PBS.

PBS is arguably more efficient, causes less open time, and results in less bodies to staff the operation.

The inefficiencies of line bidding create more open time, and the requirement for more bodies.


What does any of that have to do with what we call "open time" being the equivelant of "overtime" in other jobs? His question was what was Open Time. The easiest explanation was that it is overtime.... and as other have pointed out, it is more cost efficient to keep the airline around 5% understaffed and cover the open flying with overtime(open time). The 20-50% Open Time override still costs less than providing 5% more employees with health, dental, vision, life, disability insurance... sick time and vacation time, and the additonal costs of training.

FlyJSH 10-20-2009 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 697407)
What does any of that have to do with what we call "open time" being the equivelant of "overtime" in other jobs? His question was what was Open Time. The easiest explanation was that it is overtime.... and as other have pointed out, it is more cost efficient to keep the airline around 5% understaffed and cover the open flying with overtime(open time). The 20-50% Open Time override still costs less than providing 5% more employees with health, dental, vision, life, disability insurance... sick time and vacation time, and the additonal costs of training.

Sick time and vacation time..... now that is rich! :rolleyes:

Just remember, a sick leave policy that includes suspension and termination is not punitive.


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