That's because nobody wants to be associated with a nest of vipers except vipers.

Hetman, Rightseat Ballast, Pilot124, Airdale, etc.

Thanks for some amazingly informational posts,

these last two pages have more info about the situation at Republic than I've seen in the last six months...

Good luck to us all

Ditto from MD80. Maybe we can really work together.

Have you guys ever thought of crew costs per passenger.


E170 MKE-MCO 2.5 hrs 85% load

Passengers 65
Crew costs CA$75FO$31 $106 plus 30% benefits equals $137/hr or $342.50 for the flight
Crew cost/passenger $5.30
Ticket cost $100.00
25% pay increase $1.32


E190 same trip

Passengers 85
Crew costs CA$90FO$31 or $121 plus 30% benefits equals $157.30/hr or $393.25 for the flight
Crew cost/passenger $4.62
Ticket costs $100
25% pay increase $1.15


Pilot costs are a small piece of the ticket costs. Is a 25% increase going to drive business away...

NO !!!

FAPA was able to do a pretty good job in my opinion and Frontier had nowhere near 5000 pilots. That being said, we were dealing with Frontier management not RAH.

We have our bad apples, but I haven't flown with a soul yet that isn't on the side of the YX pilots in all of this. I commuted on YX for some time, and had an application in before the music stopped in 2007. Some of the most professional crews I've had the pleasure of meeting. This is not how I wanted to be flying an airplane in Midwest paint. Not even close.

The fact is the powers that be wouldn't have had a viable brand to purchase without the hard work of all the Midwest employees over the last 25 years. I know many of us at Republic know this, and to those that don't, they need to learn. (If you run into someone like that, we should take the time to educate them.) And to treat any of the YX employee groups with anything less than our best efforts would be a slap to the face of the industry and the profession.

There is not much that any RAH pilot could say to make this situation any better, but there is a lot we can do. We can't point the finger to blame if this goes south, our future is in our hands and nobody elses.

Get involved, and get educated.

So, in closing, an olive branch to the YX crews, you created a damn fine airline, and I hope you all return to carry on the legacy.

What a classy post. Thank you for the thoughts, Holy.
The tone seems to have calmed a bit on the board. Every Republic pilot I have spoken with personally has been gracious and sympathetic. (well, maybe one exception, and that was more attitude than anything specifically said)
One of the problems is that betwen Republic, Midwest, and Frontier there are more pilots than flight hours. The only solution that comes to my mind is for Republic to be VERY successful with this new business plan. It is in all of our interests for The new "Midwest Brand" to be a success. This means that as a furloughed Midexer it doesn't help our cause to bash the new operation to the general public. It might just prolong our stay on the street..or even make it permanent.

While I agree with you, one of the key ingredients that seems to be missing and that Repubic management doesn't get, is that a great deal of Midwest's ( and I'm sure this applies to Frontier also) outstanding customer service reputation belongs to the Flight Attendents and CSRs, along with the people that hired and trained them. If RAH doesn't change their corporate attitude and stop treating these positions like a summer job at the Dairy Queen, then it will be doomed to fail. Up until now, it didn't really matter how they treated their customers as long as the on time stats were in line, they got paid. That's all coming to a sceeching halt at "branded".

And it does apply to pilots, too, although it is much more of an intangible asset. Management has very little idea how much of a drag on efficiency it can be if pilot's only do what they are supposed to.

I agree with this 100%. Even with a happy group of frontline employees this industry is one of the toughest to succeed in. The Flight Attendants are the achilles heel of this experiment and I have voiced my concern before about how they could bring this whole thing to a screeching halt. BB and pals need to realize that you are gonna have some ****ed off passengers that will chose to go elsewhere until they start training, treating, and paying our frontline employees like professionals. If you think they treat us pilots like crap you should see how they treat the Flight Attendants.

Well said. I'm not getting a warm fuzzy over the new MKE operation.....Unless the customer service aspect is addressed, the MKE peasants will NOT have any brand loyalty with SWA coming to town.I'm not sure how YX/RW Midwest/Midwest Connect , or whatever they call this new deal will even survive the Airtran/SWA onslaught that is coming to the cheese curtain.Having 20 190's in MKE does not garauntee success if the only business plan is to cut the pilots pay in half.....

Any new rumors at Republic, Midwest or Frontier?

Don't forget Lynx...

Sorry, I always think of Lynx as part of Frontier.

RAH pilot = GO JET pilot.

Real zinger there XJT. Hows the CAL flying treatin ya?

Explain to me how a rah pilot is different than a go jet pilot again?

flamebait and bashing. thread closed.