There is only aircraft locks. You are not locked into a base for 12 months. If you get SJU ATR, you could bid to MIA or DFW ATR on the next vacancy, subject to seniority.

so here's my question and i think i know the answer however...

if they recall 20 guys now and they go on the ATR...what happens if say they recall the remaining 51 right after...will all of those 51 go to the ATR ? or would there be another displacement bid? wouldn't that put the first 20 guys who went to the ATR back in training for the EMJ or the CRJ?

I'd expect to see some more ORD CRJ vacancies and some MIA/SJU vacancies given the projected increase in flights in those areas. But ppl are going to get a shot at where they want to be -- newly recalled or otherwise.

Unless you're in one of the CRJ classes. then you can only be displaced obviously. But recallees don't have a seat lock I don't think.

Think I can get a job with over 5500 in the Saab. Oh, wait...:rolleyes:

When I was recalled in 2003 I had to finish the remainder of my original seat lock. Originally hired to fly the EMB with a 12 month seat lock. I was furloughed after 4 months and recalled back to fly the Saab, which I had to fly for 8 months finishing a 12 month seat lock (4+8=12).

I hate to be the one asking but does anyone know (or cares to guess) if eagle recalls everyone, which I hope they do, will eagle keep their hiring pool? Or are they going to have everyone reapply and go through the interview process again? (assuming they will need to hire more ppl)

Don't know for sure. I don't think we even have a pool anymore.

Supposedly pool still exists but they are going to want ATP mins so if you are swimming and have the mins you will probibly be in the first class but if you don't have those mins you will sink. All hearsay.

According to CC about the hiring pool, there will be opportunities for those still interested in the company when hiring resumes. She was not definitive on whether or not there is still a pool. She says they still have all the files on those in the pool. Said to keep flying and update your hours. Also, she said no new hiring in 2010 according to AMR. When asked about the new jets and hiring she stated that no new hiring in 2010 and its subject to change or not. This was a month ago.

Clear as mud but at least there is recalls.

Cheers

Keep mind CC told me she had no clue about recalls till a about a hour before the calls went out. So we could be hiring next month with the way things work at AMR.

Hiring Pool
 

They are purging all names from the hiring pool that don't meet ATP mins.

is this for sure?...even if you have gone to the orientation they paid for??

ah well just a bit short

I hope they are giving people a chance to update there current hours before purging.

I find it hard to believe they are purging the entire database, especially those who they have already paid to go to the transition courses, etc. Hiring is still a long ways off, and if you are in the pool or not it is a smart plan to fly as much as you can as quickly as you can. Get your ATP before they change the rules.

i was on the aa career support and i cannot update my phone number. it keeps saying i have the wrong date entered. which is a good number to call to get this squared away?

Then Defer the recall.... most contracts have a deferal option....
just be sure to read the details and make sure it would work for you.

The web form is messed up. I had a similar problem and had to contact the jetnet help desk. Click "Help" at the top right of the screen and then send them an email. Also, try doing it from an Internet Explorer browser. If you use firefox or safari it might not work.

OFF TOPIC ALERT

Have you been following the Flight Time, Duty Time, ARC/FAA things at all?

The magic number to fly part 121 will be 1500 with an ATP... as it should have been since day one


We now return you to you regularly scheduled program....

The proposed legislation gives 2 (or is it 3?) years for implementation after it is passed. If/when airlines hire before that due date they will not be held to the 1500/ATP mins.

To drive this further off topic...

Anyone think there will be a mass hiring before the rules take effect in order to get as many low time FOs as possible (so that they wont be able to leave for greener pastures, and probably willing to work for lower wages)?

Someone take the wheel and get this thread back on the road!

Congrats on the recall for everyone!

The current recall is for twenty (20) pilots. Then there will be the rest of the furloughees, then the pool.

10,000 hrs or 250 I don't think you need to get your hopes up about hiring anytime soon.

I would strongly suggest to the furloughs at eagle to return. It is ok to defer initially but I would plan on coming back. The recent grievance ruling may have implications for you all. Since the arbitrator ruled flowthroughs should have been at AA years ago, that means no on should have ever been furloughed at eagle. There is discussion inside ALPA that furloughs may get a check for retro pay as part of the resolution which is going on now. This is only a rumor but I would hate for anyone to miss out.

One of the BEST post/replies I have read ANYWHERE!!!! From a daddy daycare specialist, I wish my airline had more of your type!! "do it for me Sandy, I'd do it for you!"...flight of the intruder movie.

Congrats! to the 20 recalled.
Do you have to do initial training all over again?

THAT is something I'll believe when I see. Don't get me wrong, it would be great but we're still waiting for any form of progress whatsoever on the issue of the company failing to give sufficient notice prior to furlough, and that's just for the equivalent of a week's pay over a blatant contract violation...

Congrats to the Eagle recalls!!!!

and I agree, 10,000 or 250 hours...either way, were a long way from hiring...

All of us know the feeling about wanting to get hired on by an airline, however just keep busting out hours and get the flight time and we will hire within the year i believe. No one knows the mins and wont till they post the job. Lets just get all 71 guys/gals back online and worry about more later.

BTW: Everyone stop picking up open time. Ive never done it, im on rsv and need money BAD just like everyone else. We have guys on the street, stop picking up open time and things will change around here (yeah yeah, flame suit on after that last comment).

Here we go again. Try reading the 100 other posts on here about not picking up open time. Good luck with that.

I won't badmouth you one bit. I can honestly say that since we furloughed guys, I've only pick up an open trip once and it was to cover the time I dropped in a different part of the month. I would feel really bad about "padding my pockets" when some of my more junior co-workers are without work or worse (flipping burgers).
The more open trips out there, the more pilots we need to cover them. We are running out of pilots almost daily on the ATR and there aren't even that many trips in open time.
Just think that if 5 pilots each pick up one 3 or 4 day trip each, that is one whole line that a furloughed pilot could be flying. I mean no ill will toward those who choose to pick up OT, but come on guys, lets get all our people back on payroll as soon as we can!!!

I'm flying OT tomorrow....now what?

Wouldn't they make more money flipping burgers.... if they spent the same number of hours at the burger joint as they do Time away from base, they'd probably do better flipping burgers and be home everynight with their family to boot....

This just proves false, that not picking up OT will bring the furloughs back. pilots pick up OT regardless who's on furlough and finally MANAGEMENT decides to recall. Thanks for the money I EARNED on OT, I have money to blow on shoes and beer! :rolleyes: Begging for money is alot easier these days than to actually go out and earn it!

"and [finally] MANAGEMENT decides to recall". that's the key.

Ask yourself how much sooner the pilots could be recalled had active pilots not picked it up....:rolleyes:

unfortunately, for some people it's all about "me myself and I"....... Oh how sad!

That's right! nobody else is going to pay my rent! you feel like donating some of your pay to help me out? ahh... didn't think so. :cool:

No they'll just do a couple of sim sessions and then a checkride.

No sooner.

Most lines have at least 14 days off and there are a bunch of 15-18 day off lines. Additionally, many trips finish early allowing for a turn to be added on. No, they could easily cover that flying done as OT. In fact, most of the flying is blocked and fairly little OT is available and there are plenty of lineholders available for JM or EX.

It sounds good in theory, that a bunch of tough pilots will show managment who really runs the show, but that is mostly the fantasy of relative youngsters and newbies with little or no knowledge of past history at Eagle.

Take it easy big fella........I am not the one that told you not to pick up OT.

Why don't YOU tell us how much sooner recalls would've happened?

Ask yourself how much sooner our 10 year F/Os could have UGed had CAs never picked up OT. Shouldn't we be giving OT-CAs grief, using your logic? If anyone deserves a break/bump, its the 10yr F/Os.

I'm not trying to get into a shooting match over OT. I never once condemned those who do pick it up. I simply said ask yourself a question. If you take the offensive, then that means to me that perhaps you went against your conscience. This is not about UG. This is about getting everyone back to work.

"Most lines have at least 14 days off and there are a bunch of 15-18 day off lines. Additionally, many trips finish early allowing for a turn to be added on. No, they could easily cover that flying done as OT. In fact, most of the flying is blocked and fairly little OT is available and there are plenty of lineholders available for JM or EX." -EagleFly-

(sorry, haven't posted on here enough to figure out how to quote multiple posters.) But don't forget the part in our contract that requires management to keep Eagle properly staffed. They can't just go around JMing pilots all day. Even an increase in frequency of JMs and someone's going to do something.