Eagle Is Recalling
 

Looks like they furloughs are getting setup for a Nov. 9th class. Here's to hoping that my upgrade is next. :cool:

if its true they are bringing back the furloughees then that is great news! Congrats!

Well, with 22 new planes on the way, and then today EGL ALPA just won another of their flowthrough arbitrations that their pilots should have gone to AA back in 2007.....

Do we have any proof yet?

Yes. Two friends got a phone call from ALPA MEC for recall. 20 recalls eff. 20NOV09

Fellow American Eagle pilots:

Today, we received Arbitrator Nicolau’s award in the Letter 3 arbitration over whether or not American Eagle pilots who hold American Airlines’ pilot seniority numbers should have gone to AA training classes when the TWA pilots, classified by Arbitrator LaRocco as ‘new hires’ were being recalled from furlough.

Arbitrator Nicolau ruled entirely in ALPA and Eagle’s favor stating, “American Eagle pilots who hold American Airline seniority numbers were entitled to attend AA training classes beginning in June 2007.”

This is a very significant ruling as it vindicates ALPA’s position that AA pilot seniority numbers held by Eagle pilots are not of less value than those held by TWA pilots or any other AA pilot. Arbitrator Bloch also upheld this position when he ruled that AA pilot seniority numbers held by Eagle pilots do not expire simply because those pilots had not yet flowed to American Airlines at the time of Letter 3’s expiration.

We know this fight has taken years and your MEC has methodically explored every aspect of this case in order to be victorious on a dispute in which the outcome would so dramatically affect every single Eagle pilot.

As is often the case, the Arbitrator has remanded the remedy to the parties. In other words, the parties have a period of time to meet and discuss how to remedy American management’s failure to transfer Eagle pilots to AA at the time mandated by Letter 3. We will begin those discussions immediately, but anticipate that the discussions may take us through the end of the year.

We are very grateful for every Eagle pilot who has supported the MEC during this very challenging case. We will keep you abreast as discussions on remedy unfold. In the interim, we are posting the Arbitrator’s decision on the ALPA-Eagle website.
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Now lets just hope we can win the CHQ Arbitration...

Kwool....maybe I can stay off of reserve for a while.........................NOT!

Congrats guys! Good to see people getting off the street

So can I get back pay for being displaced a couple times?;)

aw crap i'm not ready to go back...i'm making more flight instructing then i will on the ATR...if i'm at the bottom of the list how much time do i have ?

As a furloughed Asa pilot I am so happy for you guys! Congratulations :)

yes, just submit to the chief pilot the expense form. under the column reason you put displaced and how long.

Congrats guys! Now, how long before they are looking for fresh meat?

Congrats to all recalled pilots! Good to hear about the victory in arbitration too! It was about time!

Congrats guys, good to hear some good news.

Congrats from a fellow furloughee! That's awesome guys.

Congrats guys! Hope everyone is back on the line soon!

For the furloughed guys to consider:

You lose seniority if you defer

Whoa, fellas. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Good news is not allowed on this site. I have had too many people far smarter than me tell me recalls won't happen anywhere, anytime for a while. Now, who am I going to trust, those who've gotten a recall notice or well informed posters?

If I am interpreting the contract correctly, the most junior pilot on furlough would basically have 1 shot at either accept recall or not being eligible for any recall (14 day period to decide).

They go through all 71 furloughees asking if they want class or defer, once they get to the last dude they start over in inverse seniority (the bottom) and offer their last chance.

23oct09/1136
Attn: All American Eagle Pilots
Re: Pilot Recalls
I Am Pleased To Announce That We Will Begin The Recall
Of Our Furloughed Pilots In November. We Will
Initially Be Sending Out 20 Recall Notices Today
Via U.s. Mail. We Will Continue To Evaluate Our
Staffing Requirements In Order To Determined Future
Recalls. I Would Like To Ask Each Of You To Welcome
These Pilots Back As You Run Into Them At The Training
Center And On The Line.

I wouldn't go getting ahead of yourself. There are still 50 guys on furlough and probably at least 40 that were "hired" but never started because class was canceled. I'm not saying that all 40 will make it on property because they may not have continued to fly or be current. However I know they spent a lot of money on my RJ course.

I highly doubt that they'd even look at someone with less than 1000 hours like yourself. Just be happy for the people that have their jobs back. Lets hope Eagle gets everything straighten out and that there is something positive going on next year.

I got a question. Miami is still a senior base? seems like the new flying is going to Miami, is this going to make it a junior base? what about displaced people?

Well alot of that flying is in the jet and there is no MIA jet base.

MIA ATR is pretty senior for CAs, but not bad for FOs.

It's pretty damn junior for FO's actually, I would've been displaced there if they hadn't decided to furlough instead.

So, if I have + or - 1,000hr I have a chance in the future?? (hopefully may or june)

Oh my gosh!!! Will everybody just chill on the "minimums" question. Do you guts really think that anybody has any idea what future mins will be? Even the hr department doesn't know what they will be so how could we? You know how to find out the mins? Apply fir the job and wait for a call. That's the only way cause they change so much. Just take the news as it is.

Is that you Dan?

Yes you would if all of the 5,000 or so other unemployed pilots don't get the call before you do. Its the same as before things got bad, you either get the call or you don't. The difference is there are going to be thousands of other pilots who are ALOT more qualified then you, so you're going to need to stand out in some way. Make connections and continue to build those hours and you might get that call.

Will the recalls get to pick the base again like during newhire training or will they be subject to staffing needs or will there be a bid/lottery?

Welcome back to the first 20, and for the rest- hang in there. Thank you to those pilots who have refrained from picking up extra flying. Lets keep it up until they are all back.

Just curious what do you guys have in the contract for recall rights? Can you waive the recall right and remain on the list? If so how many times before it forces your resignation of your number? What percentage do you guys think will take it?

With the amount of folks we have displaced? I hope not! If so, I better be getting my seat back at DFW!!

It'd be interesting to see if they just run a vacancy/displacement bid every couple of weeks like they seemed to do over the past year or so. I would bet that there's no way picking the base is going to be an option.

We get one chance to pass on recalls. If we pass on the second round, we're out. I think the majority of guys will go back, especially with the job market the way it is now. I can think of 2 or 3 from my class who found better things and won't be headed back.

I've been hearing about a year long seat lock too so we may well have new hires taking the seats we want if the hiring rumors are true...

firdt, you must still have acces to ALPA web site, you can read your contract, or just read the copy you have. Recalls go where the company has openings. Anywhere in the system. You always have a 12 month lock when going through long term training. Exception is if you were displaced from one aircraft into another aircraft, without being furloughed you wont have a lock. Lets not forget that there is also a base lock of 12 mos.
The easy days of new hires having there way and getting pref training before coming here paid by AE and pref base are no longer here. Training has also become tougher, ask the ones who have busted PC's the last 3 months, that does not include the probationary rides that did not go well.

It's said that the standard of training varies with the market...

My question is with a lot of the furloughs returning, of those that were low time and haven't flown in the past 6-7 months, how are they going to manage getting through training. It seems like it's going to be a rough road.

so this would mean that if i went back and was given say SJU ATR unless someone displaced me out i would be on SJU ATR for 12 mo. before i could even try to bid off that equipment?

The majority will be ATR SJU, some MIA and few Jets.

No, the seat lock is for jet F/O. The only way you can get a jet is if you can hold a seat. If they stick you on the ATR, during the next vac/dis bid, you can bid out. Likewise with jet F/O's. An EMB F/O cannot go to the CRJ if it's only a vacancy. But, he/she can be displaced to the CRJ.

Training isn't that bad. Too me it hasn't changed. Just get into your books as quickly as you can. You already know what needs to be learned, just do it. Memory items and LIMITATIONS!!!! Get those limitations down packed!

For everyone else....just apply yourself :cool: