Has ALPA done anything for you EVER?
10-26-2009 | 08:52 AM
#51
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How many of you ALPA naysayers even bothered to vote in your last elections? 1. I know that ALPA is not perfect, it has a lot of flaws. But if your not going to be pro-active to help fix it then you have no space to complain. 2.Furthermore, any person that is soo delusional to think that the volunteers have a cake walk needs to reevaluate there position. I know many union officials who regularly give up there free time for union business. No compensation for time or pay. Only for there acrued expenses and should they be working there flight pay loss. I know of several people who for months on end only had 7 days off or less.. 7- days because they are out trying to make a difference for you, even if they arn't succeeding. There is no compensation for volunteering on days off.
So you are angry because your dues pay for the flight pay that they lost during there service to you. What do you want, for your volunteers to take a paycut because they are volunteering to make try to make stuff better? So your safety reps, when they are on scene at an accident, should have to give up a years pay, to try to figure out what happened. Your pilot reps should have to give up there flight pay every time they defend a pilot for doing something stupid? etc, etc?
3.How greedy are you sir, Yes 2% of your pay is significant. But ya know what, when was the last time you gave anything other than what was the minimum required of you? 4.Before you cast a stone, get out there and try to fix it yourself. Volunteer some, try to make a difference.
WE are ALPA.
So you are angry because your dues pay for the flight pay that they lost during there service to you. What do you want, for your volunteers to take a paycut because they are volunteering to make try to make stuff better? So your safety reps, when they are on scene at an accident, should have to give up a years pay, to try to figure out what happened. Your pilot reps should have to give up there flight pay every time they defend a pilot for doing something stupid? etc, etc?
3.How greedy are you sir, Yes 2% of your pay is significant. But ya know what, when was the last time you gave anything other than what was the minimum required of you? 4.Before you cast a stone, get out there and try to fix it yourself. Volunteer some, try to make a difference.
WE are ALPA.
2. Everybody has an angle for doing the things they do. Most members of congress are already multi millionaires before they enter office. I suppose they choose to only make 150K a year instead of their usual millions out of the kindness of their hearts. At my airline people often use the goonion to springboard their way to a permanent goonion position or to get to mainline. I doubt most people have as noble intentions as you seem to think they do.
3. I am extremely greedy. Thanks for asking. I do this job for money. That is what separates us from the hobbyists. I want to make as much of it as I can as fast as I can. APLA is doing a bang up job making sure I do neither. But hey, now I can ASAP fatigue calls. Maybe I can complete the ASAP while I wait at the welfare office.
4. I would try to fix things myself, but without a national seniority system and a predetermined pay scale, my hands are kind of tied. Thanks APLA.
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10-26-2009 | 08:58 AM
#52
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Your colleagues at your own airline negotiated that for you...
So much blame toward ALPA as if it was some mythical entity, and yet so little recognition that ALPA is not just its elected/volunteer leadership but rather every single member that has a card and wears a pin. Everybody wants milk and honey to flow to them simply because they're union, but nobody wants to make any personal sacrifices in order to achieve it.
YOU are ALPA...if you don't like what is going on (and there's plenty to not like) you've got two choices...complain on the interwebs or ditch your apathy and actually start working to better things.
So much blame toward ALPA as if it was some mythical entity, and yet so little recognition that ALPA is not just its elected/volunteer leadership but rather every single member that has a card and wears a pin. Everybody wants milk and honey to flow to them simply because they're union, but nobody wants to make any personal sacrifices in order to achieve it.
YOU are ALPA...if you don't like what is going on (and there's plenty to not like) you've got two choices...complain on the interwebs or ditch your apathy and actually start working to better things.
All of you who think ALPA isn't looking out for you, need to look at the big picture, and do a little history reading. Ie. "Flying the Line"
You want to see more changes, then step up. Back up your big words with some action. VOLUNTEER at your airline.
10-26-2009 | 09:05 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
3. I am extremely greedy. Thanks for asking. I do this job for money.
Sounds like you'd do yourself a HUGE favor by leaving the airlines and entering business aviation at your very first opportunity.
10-26-2009 | 09:16 AM
#54
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I am going to do myself an even bigger favor by leaving the industry as soon as I can. We are all worth way more than we are being paid. I don't have any reason to believe pay will ever back to where it used to be at the legacies. I love flying but I have a responsibility to provide for my family.
10-26-2009 | 09:27 AM
#55
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I don't see how you can blame ALPA for your own expectations for career & salary progression going unrealized, especially when the "rules" were widely available to you the day you accepted employment.
I love flying but I have a responsibility to provide for my family.
Kudos to you for having your priorities in line (and for not allowing this God-forsaken industry to change them).
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