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FlyASA 10-25-2009 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by colead3 (Post 700823)
How will this affect recalls for furloughed pilots? I saw they didn't expect recalls... but with a new base won't we be short.. reserves, etc... :) Just really excited to maybe fly again!!!

There was an email stating that there will be no recalls in 2010 unless block hours go up significantly. Don't get me wrong, the new flying and new base will definitely help the furloughed guys but it won't result in recalls for awhile.

- We might have PBS coming soon, that could be up to 10% reduction in the number of pilots required (if other pilots who fly under PBS are to be believed)
- We are currently staffed for these aircraft (technically overstaffed by 6 planes unless we find a homes for them)
- The ATRs are gone so we are still slightly overstaffed since we had them when we stopped hiring

This will shorten the recall times but don't get your hopes up. Maybe if we have another wild summer like we just did we could see some people recalled. There are a lot of variables that go into staffing, however I don't think they would have furloughed the last group if they thought they might be needed again in 9 months (spring 2010). That wouldn't have been cost effective for the company.

colead3 10-25-2009 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by Gunga Galunga (Post 700827)
i think for once SH was pretty spot on. Not much or nothing right now, but with a block hour increase or more flying, definitely. It's only October so wait and see. Any way you slice it, overall prospect of recalls are better now than they were this time last week. Take it for what it's worth, although you'll have the usual suspects come on and tell you recalls wont happen til 2012 or never, which might be spot on if the world ends in 2012.


Thanks!!! :D

John Pennekamp 10-26-2009 05:43 AM

Don't forget, the UAL Mesa flying is still up for bids.

FlyASA 10-26-2009 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 701166)
Don't forget, the UAL Mesa flying is still up for bids.

Doesn't Mesa currently fly 26 CRJs for UA? How many CRJs does Inc. have sitting around? There are 6 ASA birds for sure, anymore out there?

John Pennekamp 10-26-2009 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by FlyASA (Post 701168)
Doesn't Mesa currently fly 26 CRJs for UA? How many CRJs does Inc. have sitting around? There are 6 ASA birds for sure, anymore out there?

With all of Delta's talk about eliminating 50 seaters, I'm sure that if ASA went to them and said they found flying, could DAL release them, they'd go so gladly. The only reason we haven't seen more 50 seat cuts at ASA is that with the contract between SKW, INC and DAL, they have to negotiate the 80% instead of just doing it unilaterally like at CMR. They'd gladly let that go if JA asked them to.

Gunga Galunga 10-26-2009 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 701205)
With all of Delta's talk about eliminating 50 seaters, I'm sure that if ASA went to them and said they found flying, could DAL release them, they'd go so gladly. The only reason we haven't seen more 50 seat cuts at ASA is that with the contract between SKW, INC and DAL, they have to negotiate the 80% instead of just doing it unilaterally like at CMR. They'd gladly let that go if JA asked them to.


Maybe something might happen with this and another 2 for 1 swap?

surreal1221 10-26-2009 08:39 AM

Whatever will trash the company's staffing forecasts is what I want to see.

Hate to say it, but our company doesn't necessarily have the best crew schedulers in the world. . .and opening up a new base is going to be one hell of a crazy ride.

PBS passage though, well. . .yeah - peace out on a recall for two to three years (65 retirements hit). If that's the case, then I'll be delighted to be invited to an Eagle class next spring.

John Pennekamp 10-26-2009 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Gunga Galunga (Post 701213)
Maybe something might happen with this and another 2 for 1 swap?

I kind of doubt that. I can see ASA "broadening their horizons" away from Delta. It's no secret that Delta's fickle, unreliable schedules, and take it or leave it attitude have taken a toll on everyone. Not to mention that having all of our eggs in one basket is bad.

I predict we see a gradual decrease in Delta flying, and an increase in other airlines.

John Pennekamp 10-26-2009 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by surreal1221 (Post 701239)
Whatever will trash the company's staffing forecasts is what I want to see.

Hate to say it, but our company doesn't necessarily have the best crew schedulers in the world. . .and opening up a new base is going to be one hell of a crazy ride.

PBS passage though, well. . .yeah - peace out on a recall for two to three years (65 retirements hit). If that's the case, then I'll be delighted to be invited to an Eagle class next spring.

I'm not sure I agree with any of those statements...

USMC3197 10-26-2009 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 701264)
I kind of doubt that. I can see ASA "broadening their horizons" away from Delta. It's no secret that Delta's fickle, unreliable schedules, and take it or leave it attitude have taken a toll on everyone. Not to mention that having all of our eggs in one basket is bad.

I predict we see a gradual decrease in Delta flying, and an increase in other airlines.

Why would JA just let DL off the hook with the 50 seaters so we can move them to UAL or other carriers? As long as DL is stuck with our 50 seaters they have to fly them. I heard a while back that DCIs 900 scope maybe maxed out but their 700s are not. Why not a 2 for 1 for 700s and then move those 200s to another carrier? I guess I am just wondering if JA lets DL off the hook it wouldn't be growth. :confused:


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