I turn down the offer, it is no worth it
06-25-2006, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilotpip
This is one low timer that's preaching the message to the students he has that want to persue a career in aviation. Thankfully, they made a good choice and went to a local flight school for their training to begin with. Most of them are about to enter college and aren't majoring in aviation.
Now if I could only get the CFI's to stop jumping up at the first offer to fly something burning Jet A and wait for something that paid more along the lines of what they deserve.
Now if I could only get the CFI's to stop jumping up at the first offer to fly something burning Jet A and wait for something that paid more along the lines of what they deserve.
Times are good now for CFI's. In a year or two you might be willing to work for free or pay a huge amount for a job. Some day soon the regional boom will end and the days of easy job hunting will be over. When I got on at Horizon Air I was the next youngest at 28 and had the lowest time of 3800 hours. Most of that was as a 135 multi PIC with some Learjet time. In the early 1990's people had to pay 10 to 20 thousand for a right seat commuter gig. This can't go on forever. Those days will come back and soon.
SkyHigh
06-25-2006, 08:55 PM
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Skyhigh,
When that day comes, I'll buy a luscombe and get a real job. There are other options out there than flying for a 121 carrier and I simply refuse to pay a company to work for them. I don't expect to jump ship from my flight school as soon as I hit 1000total and 100 multi. I'm waiting until at least 135 minimums simply to have more options available.
You paint a lot of gloom and doom, but there isn't a profession out there that you couldn't rip apart in the same fashion that you do of aviation. I know lots of people that are making good money and have all the nice things that money buys but they are miserable every day that they go to work. I don't want that, and if this industry ends up doing to me what it did to you I'll be long gone before I become as cynical.
When that day comes, I'll buy a luscombe and get a real job. There are other options out there than flying for a 121 carrier and I simply refuse to pay a company to work for them. I don't expect to jump ship from my flight school as soon as I hit 1000total and 100 multi. I'm waiting until at least 135 minimums simply to have more options available.
You paint a lot of gloom and doom, but there isn't a profession out there that you couldn't rip apart in the same fashion that you do of aviation. I know lots of people that are making good money and have all the nice things that money buys but they are miserable every day that they go to work. I don't want that, and if this industry ends up doing to me what it did to you I'll be long gone before I become as cynical.
06-25-2006, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilotpip
Skyhigh,
When that day comes, I'll buy a luscombe and get a real job. There are other options out there than flying for a 121 carrier and I simply refuse to pay a company to work for them. I don't expect to jump ship from my flight school as soon as I hit 1000total and 100 multi. I'm waiting until at least 135 minimums simply to have more options available.
You paint a lot of gloom and doom, but there isn't a profession out there that you couldn't rip apart in the same fashion that you do of aviation. I know lots of people that are making good money and have all the nice things that money buys but they are miserable every day that they go to work. I don't want that, and if this industry ends up doing to me what it did to you I'll be long gone before I become as cynical.
When that day comes, I'll buy a luscombe and get a real job. There are other options out there than flying for a 121 carrier and I simply refuse to pay a company to work for them. I don't expect to jump ship from my flight school as soon as I hit 1000total and 100 multi. I'm waiting until at least 135 minimums simply to have more options available.
You paint a lot of gloom and doom, but there isn't a profession out there that you couldn't rip apart in the same fashion that you do of aviation. I know lots of people that are making good money and have all the nice things that money buys but they are miserable every day that they go to work. I don't want that, and if this industry ends up doing to me what it did to you I'll be long gone before I become as cynical.
Well good for you. I hope you already have an exit strategy in mind. Once the mortgage and kids are there it is too late. I know plenty of miserable airline pilots who are stuck. A Pilot career is different from most in regards that the skills you develop mostly only have value to the company that you presently fly for. Most other lines of work have transferable skills and experience that grows in value over time.
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06-25-2006, 09:44 PM
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Life is full of risks no matter what you do. You can do one of two things. Take the risk, or sit back and be full of regret when years later you miss a chance. I could have easily gone into a trade union's apprenticeship out of highschool and easily been making a decent living as a carpenter or welder right now but choose to be the first in my family to go to college. I had to work my way through a Catholic Highschool because I'd likely be dead had I gone to my public school. Paid my way through college, and have relatively little debt as a result of that. Hard work and struggle is nothing new to me. And to be honest, it has never bothered me.
I knew what I was getting myself into 6 years ago. I had no idea of payscales and to this day don't know if I really want to fly for an airline, but there are lots of other jobs in aviation. Right now I'm enjoying instructing, and it's paying the bills. In that respect I'm very lucky. I'm working a second job, and typing on this fourm at 1am on a Monday morning from my second job at an FBO. I don't have a family, or other obligations right now so why not get myself out of debt, and build a little cushion now so that if the worst happens I'm not out on the street. If all else fails, I'll start building houses. Oh wait, that bubble is about to burst too...
I think this is about the third time we've had this convo skyhigh.
I knew what I was getting myself into 6 years ago. I had no idea of payscales and to this day don't know if I really want to fly for an airline, but there are lots of other jobs in aviation. Right now I'm enjoying instructing, and it's paying the bills. In that respect I'm very lucky. I'm working a second job, and typing on this fourm at 1am on a Monday morning from my second job at an FBO. I don't have a family, or other obligations right now so why not get myself out of debt, and build a little cushion now so that if the worst happens I'm not out on the street. If all else fails, I'll start building houses. Oh wait, that bubble is about to burst too...
I think this is about the third time we've had this convo skyhigh.
06-25-2006, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
A Pilot career is different from most in regards that the skills you develop mostly only have value to the company that you presently fly for. Most other lines of work have transferable skills and experience that grows in value over time.
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From the feel of this forum, this dude gets alotta flack....
but ya know what?
The above statement is absolutely true....
my question is, WHY? Why is that?
Why did a Pan Am 747 pilot with 30 years experience go from everything to everything-is-in-question overnight?
Why is there no lateral-move-capability in the airlines?
06-25-2006, 09:53 PM
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Because the other airlines have what they need. If you're gonna move you go back to the bottom.
However, had that Pan Am 747 captain been a little more responsible with his expenses this may have never been a question that needed to be asked. Keeping up with the Joneses is dangerous and sadly, the American way.
However, had that Pan Am 747 captain been a little more responsible with his expenses this may have never been a question that needed to be asked. Keeping up with the Joneses is dangerous and sadly, the American way.
06-25-2006, 10:45 PM
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How long has it been common practice for someone to loose your senority when changing airlines? I am going to guess it's been longer than 20 years.
My question if it sucks so bad (which it does) why hasn't there been anything done about it? Where are the unions? Why didn't SkyHigh do something about this? jk
My question if it sucks so bad (which it does) why hasn't there been anything done about it? Where are the unions? Why didn't SkyHigh do something about this? jk
06-26-2006, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHawg
How long has it been common practice for someone to loose your senority when changing airlines? I am going to guess it's been longer than 20 years.
My question if it sucks so bad (which it does) why hasn't there been anything done about it? Where are the unions? Why didn't SkyHigh do something about this? jk
My question if it sucks so bad (which it does) why hasn't there been anything done about it? Where are the unions? Why didn't SkyHigh do something about this? jk
The seniority system is the way they do things in the military and was transferred to the airlines. It was set up as such from day one. The system rewards incompetence and inability. Advancement if awarded in order of hiring regardless of experience or aptitude. I have often believed that if we did away with the seniority system that the airlines would be better for it.
SkyHigh
06-26-2006, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
The seniority system is the way they do things in the military and was transferred to the airlines. It was set up as such from day one. The system rewards incompetence and inability. Advancement if awarded in order of hiring regardless of experience or aptitude. I have often believed that if we did away with the seniority system that the airlines would be better for it.
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