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flyerNy 06-27-2006 05:31 PM

Contrary to what is discussed on this forum, I don't believe that 90 percent of people hate their jobs. I think people generally like their jobs. I've had students who are from all walks of life and found that most loved their jobs and they were not pilots for a living and they would never trade it to be a pro. pilot. Also many of my friends and family are teachers, scientists, accountants, construction workers, business owners, and they like their jobs and they don't sit on the expressway in traffic every morning hating life, but rather just hating traffic. In addition I have found that not everyone is in love with aviation and wants to be an airline pilot. People have different passions that drive them in life; just because yours happens to be piloting an aluminum tube doesn’t mean that everyone else's life is crap. Since I have stepped away from the airline profession I have been rewarded the ability to pursue other interests and found that it really is amazing just how much you miss due to the chaotic fog of aviation that takes hold when becoming and being and trying to stay as, the airline pilot. Besides airline pilots sit in traffic all the time on ramps taxiways holding patterns gate holds cancelled flights its all the same.

surreal1221 06-27-2006 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by amucks
Hmm....must be a local phenomenon. We do however, well most of us anyway, enjoy the benefit of tuition reimbursement. Might be nice if airlines took a cue...

Companies paying for their employees to get an education?

In the airline industry? Wait, in the aviation industry? A noble idea. Won't happen. Too many fat cat republican managers in the industry. Urinate on the middle class. Keep the poor poor.

flyerNy 06-27-2006 05:44 PM

surreal1221, are u a cti and if so are u waiting on the list?

amucks 06-27-2006 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by surreal1221
Companies paying for their employees to get an education?

In the airline industry? Wait, in the aviation industry? A noble idea. Won't happen. Too many fat cat republican managers in the industry. Urinate on the middle class. Keep the poor poor.

I was being fecious, to be sure. This, among other reasons, were major factors in my leaving ERAU three years into AeroSci, with the associated debt load (that I'm still paying off I hasten to add), and pursue 5-0dom. Some days I'm glad I did, some days I wonder....

*Edited for spellin'*

amucks 06-27-2006 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by flyerNy
Contrary to what is discussed on this forum, I don't believe that 90 percent of people hate their jobs. I think people generally like their jobs. I've had students who are from all walks of life and found that most loved their jobs and they were not pilots for a living and they would never trade it to be a pro. pilot. Also many of my friends and family are teachers, scientists, accountants, construction workers, business owners, and they like their jobs and they don't sit on the expressway in traffic every morning hating life, but rather just hating traffic. In addition I have found that not everyone is in love with aviation and wants to be an airline pilot. People have different passions that drive them in life; just because yours happens to be piloting an aluminum tube doesn’t mean that everyone else's life is crap. Since I have stepped away from the airline profession I have been rewarded the ability to pursue other interests and found that it really is amazing just how much you miss due to the chaotic fog of aviation that takes hold when becoming and being and trying to stay as, the airline pilot. Besides airline pilots sit in traffic all the time on ramps taxiways holding patterns gate holds cancelled flights its all the same.

Hear hear...well said

surreal1221 06-27-2006 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by flyerNy
surreal1221, are u a cti and if so are u waiting on the list?

I am, and soon to no longer be, a CTI. No I am not in process. Have a year left to finish the AS of Aviation Management at MDC. I won't complete it though. Not with the current FAA's ideology. I won't go further into it, unless through a PM. FAA = gheyness.

jetproppilot 06-27-2006 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh
At least a medical doctor can find a good paying job in most any town. Don't forget to subtract for lost wages, training costs, lost years in school and the potential that the money has to serve you better invested someplace else.

You don't even know if you will ever get a job.

This is the problem with the airline industry

I'm a doctor. A specialist. I can lay out a map of the USA on my dining room table, blindfold my self, take my right index finger and plop it down randomly on the map....

hmmmm

Charleston, South Carolina. Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina.

Make a few phone calls,

boom.

Licensure may take 3-6 months to get, but I can secure a position there with pay commensurate to my experience.

An airline pilot with Delta, with, say, 15 years in the left/right seat should have lateral capability.

Why isnt your experience valued to every company in the industry??

Youre in the left seat of an American MD 80. Ten years.

Why doesnt United wanna hire you doing the same thing, for the same pay?

flyerNy 06-27-2006 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by surreal1221
I am, and soon to no longer be, a CTI. No I am not in process. Have a year left to finish the AS of Aviation Management at MDC. I won't complete it though. Not with the current FAA's ideology. I won't go further into it, unless through a PM. FAA = gheyness.

I agree with you thoughts on the issue, the FAA is on the warpath to destroy the ATC career just as Airlines have now pretty much destroyed the pilot career. Hey even worse coming if Blakey moves up to Transp. Sec., She's done good damage at the FAA why not take down the whole DOT

amucks 06-27-2006 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by jetproppilot
This is the problem with the airline industry

I'm a doctor. A specialist. I can lay out a map of the USA on my dining room table, blindfold my self, take my right index finger and plop it down randomly on the map....

hmmmm

Charleston, South Carolina. Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina.

Make a few phone calls,

boom.

Licensure may take 3-6 months to get, but I can secure a position there with pay commensurate to my experience.

An airline pilot with Delta, with, say, 15 years in the left/right seat should have lateral capability.

Why isnt your experience valued to every company in the industry??

Youre in the left seat of an American MD 80. Ten years.

Why doesnt United wanna hire you doing the same thing, for the same pay?

Possibly for a couple of reasons. For one, there aren't 4k + anesthesiologists on furlough. Hence, you are somewhat more of a commodity. Second, I know that if I move from department to department or bureau to bureau, my salary will change depending on any number of factors, none the least of which is how many of my breatheren and sisthren wear the same uniform, and how large the population is. Third, what does your group get paid per "passenger", and what are you paying for Propofol these days?

*once again, edited for spellin'*

fosters 06-27-2006 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by jetproppilot
[B]
Why isnt your experience valued to every company in the industry??

Youre in the left seat of an American MD 80. Ten years.

Why doesnt United wanna hire you doing the same thing, for the same pay?


That's the way it works in corporate. Airlines have a much different system called "senority" to prevent ass kissers and brown nosers from screwing over others.

Not only that, but personally I prefer to make a little bit of money now to make more money down the line. Would you rather be making $250k for say years 12 thru 30 or $125k for years 1-30?

Obviously as a doctor, you make $500k/yr starting from day one, so it's hard to compare the two, but my brain just couldn't handle medical school. props to those that make it


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