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Old 12-14-2009 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PA31
My understanding is scope prevents SKYW from flying +76 seats for DL and +70 for United. A C series could not be operated by SKYW under current scope?
True. Not only that, but I'm pretty sure the DAL scope requires that we cannot operate ANY 77+ seat aircraft for ANYONE while we have the DAL contract (nice job DL-ALPA). This would apply to ASA too, and the other DCI's I'm sure.

We would have to start a new 121 certificate to get around that. Not too hard I guess, that's why mesa (86 seat 900's) and RAH use different certs.

But I think SKW would really prefer to stay within the bounds of our current business model, I seriously doubt we are going to buy C-series without some contract to fly them for someone else. Hopefully scope would prevent that. What the hell kind of scope does Airtran have? Any at all? If not, you guys are 100% hosed...

However...SKW is perfectly capable of running as a stand-alone airline, they did it before and can do it again. If UAL were to liquidate (or terminate our contract in Ch.11) we might very well have to go independent. We have more experience, economy of scale, money, and management IQ than anyone who has tried before...we might succeed.
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Old 12-14-2009 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PA31
I could be off on my history but didn't exceeding scope lead to the demise of ACA?
No.

United going into BK and needing cheaper feed is what led to the demise of ACA. UAL and ACA negotiated for MONTHS on a new deal before ACA management decided to not renew at the crappy terms UAL was offering and go on their own.

Take a look at what happened to AWAC, that's what UAL had planned for ACA.

The DelCon program was scheduled to be terminated anyway, but as soon as the first Airbus flew for I-Air, it was a scope violation with DAL. But that was hardly what led to the "demise of ACA".
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