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Originally Posted by OldSF3Dude (Post 732740)

Like someone said above, it passed the House by a large margin. I watched some of the Senate hearings on it on CSPAN a few days ago. Everyone I saw was in favor of it and most were saying they wanted these reforms put in place immediately. Some senators were pushing the FAA administrator to move quicker and enact some of this stuff by himself before the bill is even signed into law.

So, my guess is it could be as soon as 2010, or as late as 2013. As the bill is written by the House I think you get 3 years grace period to get the ATP. But, I also think the FAA could move quicker on it's own if it so desired.

In any case, I would be shocked if you didn't need a 1500 hour ATP to get hired to fly part-121 by 2013.

Actually, no, the FAA cannot make a rule change as quickly. Prior to most (if not all) rule changes, an agency must issue a Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM). Typically, it allows 60 days for public comments and 30 days for the agency to reply. Additionally, the agency would need to confer with any other agencies the new rule could affect.

On the other hand, the Legislative can change a law as fast as they can call a vote as was the case in the Declaration of War against Japan 12/8/1941.

One thing the current Administrator has done is to shame carriers into "voluntary" compliance with his wishes (publicly posting carriers who have chosen NOT to have FOQA ro example).

The FAA can use emergency rule to skip all the comment, etc. Some senators at the hearing I watched were urging the FAA to use this power to push reform through more quickly. I don't remember if the senators wanted this for specific rules, or for all reform in general. The senators seemed much more keen on this than the FAA.

It was all bi-partisan by the way. From what I watched all the politicians wanted reform and the FAA to act more quickly. From what I saw I would expect things to change fast..., but, we are talking about the government here.

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Originally Posted by gtech88 (Post 732846)

Remember that you will have to find a way to get some cross country time in those 1200 hours.

Ya hopefully next winter I get hired doing Ariel Surverying, that with flying jumpers and I could actually pull in 36K A YEAR :eek:

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Originally Posted by OldSF3Dude (Post 732929)

An emergency rule without public comment would guarantee lawsuits from the airline associations.

Lack of due process combined with highly questionable grounds for the exercise of emergency authority would give the airlines a lot of ammo to overthrow the rules in court.

Following the full NPRM process or letting congress legislate will give the new rules more staying power.