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Old 12-30-2009, 06:25 AM
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Interesting article in BusinessWeek.com about pilots refusing to fly broken aircraft; illegal parts; Gulfstream International Airlines; fatigue; pay; and other issues affecting your profession...

Fatal Flying on Airlines No Accident in Pilot Complaints to FAA
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Old 12-30-2009, 06:45 AM
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Wow...

Once is happenstance, twice may be coincidence.

But three times??? That's enemy action.
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The agency is full little napoleans who have nothing better to do.
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:06 AM
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Agency? FAA?

Do you think they are picking on GIA because of the recent publicity related to colgan?
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Coincidence? No.
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Anyone can make sensational headlines too..What if they printed the following article? Would you be insulted?

Did First Officer of doomed Colgan flight learn to raise flaps uncommanded during stall recovery at the flight school that gave her a CFI rating? This reporter would like to know how many people they might have taught this "NEW" procedure to. How many did they in turn teach this to? How many did she teach this to during her time as an instructor? How many are out there flying for the regionals now? Is your family at risk?. How many students did she have in 1200 hours of Dual given to reach ATP mins.....is more of this going to happen when HR3371 goes through and everyone has to teach? Is HR 3371 a double edged sword? Will it create a culture in aviation of the Blind leading the Blind? Should HR3371 require atp mins to teach someone how to safely fly? We know you cant fly safely at an airline at 300 hours. How can you safely teach a new pilot at 300 hours? Shouldn't a new pilots flight instructor have more than the bare minimums of training? Shouldn't the public demand this? Are you ever going to be safe in a plane again, unless the pilot was trained in wartime combat during Vietnam, or has a cool nickname played off of his last name?
Since its a matter of record, she did indeed raise the flaps, and everything else was phrased as a question, the Editor is able to print this. We never "said", but only proposed valid questions. Journalism 101. Like any other story it is open to the reporters way of getting the reader to see their intended interpretation. See how easy it is to take facts and twist them to suit your purpose. OMG we are all gonna die on a regional airplane Does anyone even care that there are another 99.8% of GIA alum out there safely and profesionally piloting for the Majors, Regionals and Corporate Flight departments. Nope, because that doesnt sell newspapers, and its not cool on APC to do anything except bash a 3M pilot. After all to do that would require not being a follower of the crowd, or at the very least not being in a Mesa or Republic thread...

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Old 12-31-2009, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by TPROP4ever View Post
Anyone can make sensational headlines too..What if they printed the following?

Did First Officer of doomed Colgan flight learn to raise flaps uncommanded during stall recovery at the flight school that gave her a CFI rating? This reporter would like to know how many people they might have taught this "NEW" procedure too. How many did she teach this too during her time as an instructor? How many are out there flying for the regionals now? Is your family at risk?. How many students did she have in 1200 hours of Dual given to reach ATP mins.....is more of this going to happen when HR3371 goes through and everyone has to teach? Is HR 3371 a double edged sword?
That's nonsense. Most newspaper writers know the difference between "to" and "too."
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Originally Posted by NightIP View Post
That's nonsense. Most newspaper writers know the difference between "to" and "too."
Touche'....thank God I'm not a writer
and for the record I changed the two "Too's" to "To"....

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Does anyone even care that there are another 99.8% of GIA alum out there safely and profesionally piloting for the Majors, Regionals and Corporate Flight departments.
Your past clouds your objectivity. 3 for 3? That's got to be mathematically statistically significant, not just coincidence.
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Originally Posted by Sniper View Post
Your past clouds your objectivity. 3 for 3? That's got to be mathematically statistically significant, not just coincidence.
Colgan voted in ALPA about a month before the Buffalo crash. Pinnacle and Comair are also ALPA. 6 out of 6 were ALPA pilots. Mathematically significant or coincidence?
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