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Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 738848)

Hey Mary and Harry!
By the way, nice job asking folks to volunteer for reduced lines. Just how did we go from overstaffed to needing check airmen flying as FOs in one week?

NO KIDDING! And what about the 500+ hours of open time for FO's? People keep disappearing from the seniority list... I doubt we are heavy on pilots... I have received 3 phone calls from sched. asking me to pick up trips.... and I am a line holder.... makes me scratch my head and wonder why.

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Originally Posted by belliott (Post 738853)

The two things you mentioned are not related. Open time is SUPPOSED to remain open for lineholders to trade with until it is assigned to reserves in SENIORITY order. It took quite a while to convince the company to stop pre-assigning open time during the monthly award process or give it to reserves on a first-come first-served basis. However, the 3 phone calls to pick up trips IS troubling. If you get a chance PM me so I can look a bit further into this.

You guys get paid for your Fatigue calls right? Pay-protected for the trip you are calling in fatigued for?

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Originally Posted by kalyx522 (Post 737971)

No it didnt.. there were examples of how "crewmembers" abused it. Some or most or all those examples could be FAs. In the two memo examples, they use the words "flight attendant" and "crew member," but not pilot. Maybe because that "crew member" is an FA as well? I have to give a fellow pilot more credit than to do something so dumb and lacking of sense as that facebook situation.. personally I've never met another pilot here that I can even imagine lying about fatigue. Quite honestly though it is something I can definitely imagine many of our 18 yr old FAs doing. I don't care if that sounds bad because it is what it is. I don't think many of our FAs take their jobs as a whole as seriously as we do because they haven't invested 1% of the time, energy and money into this profession as we did and dont have anything hanging on the line. Not like a pilot who, if fired, would likely see his aviation career go down the tubes forever and possibly face FAA action depending on reason for getting fired. Likewise, I'm willing to bet what little money I have that FAs have far more fake sick calls than pilots. The company's all putting us in the same basket even if the abuses were done 30% by pilots and 60% by FAs or whatever the distribution is. I don't even know why FAs are afforded the same fatigue protection as pilots or inversely, why we are punished under a blanket policy for even one abuse committed by an FA. Ok, so their job involves safety but nowhere in the capacity as someone who is directly operating machinery. I don't think I'm a better human being than an FA just because I'm a pilot, but I just don't think we should be under the same policy when our job requirements are so different.

So from your post, I take it you work for Colgan and that you don't like FA's who from what I have seen have a less thankless job than you, have to put up with the atitude and abuse from the passengers and when there are issues, just blow it off instead of using your authority. I hope my wife never had or has to fly with you. Maybe I should post the video I have of a Colgan pilot who is airing his attitude very unprofessionally to the passengers over the PA.

Sorry, I used to have respect for the Colgan pilots I have met but you sound like one I hope to never meet. Guess it's a good reason to fly the Delta commuter when getting out of town.

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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 738886)

You guys get paid for your Fatigue calls right? Pay-protected for the trip you are calling in fatigued for?

Um, the short and sweet of it is....NO, no pay for fatigue. So the decision to make the call is at the expense of pay.

That being said, I don't believe a fatigue call will pull you below guarantee; however, if you're above guarantee, you'll be dinged for the credit.

yeah no pay for fatigue, and it comes of the top of ur credit ... im pretty sure

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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled (Post 736027)

AHEM AHEM AHEM ----- HERE YE HERE YE ------What is ALPA's Judgement on this issue?

IS ALPA going to just sit on the sidelines and take 2% of our pay????

ALPA!! ALPA!!??? Anybody seen ALPA???

ALPA, I've sent 4 emails this year to ALPA Communications, asking why wasn't ALPA using our DUES MONEY to advertise on NATIONAL TV, and other media outlets about our work rules, salaries and way of life in general.

ALPA RESPONSE: CA PRATER was on CSPAN!!!

That is IT!!! CSPAN, thats the answer!!!

So the question remains, WHERE DOES ALPA STAND IN OUR INDUSTRY?

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Originally Posted by Sailor (Post 739386)

Probably because the people that are watching the commercial are the same people surfing the net for 200 coast to coast flights. They don't give two flips, not even a half.

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Originally Posted by dingo222 (Post 739785)

Probably because the people that are watching the commercial are the same people surfing the net for 200 coast to coast flights. They don't give two flips, not even a half.

Exactly. This reminds me about how all Americans want prisons but don't want them in their backyard (NIMBY)

All passengers want highly paid and trained pilots, but they don't want to pay for it.

I want steak and lobster for dinner but I only want to pay $2. Guess what, I'm not getting it. Ground beef budget gets you ground beef. Rock bottom airfare gets you rock bottom pilots and training.

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Originally Posted by Sailor (Post 739386)

I understand your outrage, but we also have to be careful not to make it seem like passengers are in serious danger when they step foot on a regional airliner, because they're not. A national TV campaign sensationalizing our work rules, pay, etc. could very likely have a negative effect on all of us.

A little bit of knowledge in the hands of the masses is a very dangerous thing. I prefer my union to be a group of pilots and experts, working in a precise and calculated manner, to make changes in the areas appropriate to their position. Ad campaigns, in my opinion, do not fit in what I want my union dues paying for.

Lets let our negotiating committee work on the fatigue clause in our contract. That will get a lot more done than a media frenzy. Those just lead to knee-jerk overreactions that don't fix the problem.