New Hires: Work rules and "Quick Upgrades"
#31
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Lightning, It doesn't look like I will get a shot at a 340. I haven't applied at Colgan, and am not planning to. Got a letter from Mesaba a couple of years ago that said "Call us back when you have a First Class Medical" (I had it scheduled). After I got it (very soon thereafter), they weren't hiring anymore, and I would have gotten furloughed anyway. I don't know anyone else who flies them, so it will probably just stay on my list. There is also a place in Griffin, Georgia, that does DC-3 types, but I will have to be a Boeing captain before I can afford that! (Gimme a break, PFT guys! It's a DC-3 and I'm not talking about buying a job!) I have a little King Air 200 time and Twin Otter time. They are both a lot of fun!
I have three types and I must say I "suffered" for that SF340 type. That was a bear. I didn't have any time in type before hand though.
#33
Our profession is harmed by pilots who get too comfy at their "good regional." A pilot who chooses to go to Mesa, Colgan, (insert "bottom-feeding", "profession-killing" regional here) because he or she wants to get to the majors and has no intention of putting down roots at any regional is trying to be part of the rising tide lifting all boats. Pilots who choose Skywest, ExpressJet, (insert "kind", "wholesome", "pilot-loving" regional here) and then stay there because the droppings from the lord's table are just good enough, are those who drag us down. The concept of a career regional must be squashed.
One of the main reasons that we are in this position is our lack of cohesiveness and the avalanche of market forces. Pilots have done a horrendous job of working together. Instead of bickering over the largest table scrap, we should all be in the same union working to expand flying at the majors, even if it means they fly regional jets and turboprops.
The Dash Whisperer
The Dash Whisperer
Wages and fuel are the two main operating costs airlines face and most airlines are much more fixated on tangible numerical representations rather than abstract ideas like higher morale improving efficiency or logistical positions being filled with intelligent individuals to increase resource utilization, therefore airlines will do what they can to prevent national labor unity and continue to negotiate separate contracts.
#34
The trick to a pyramid scheme is to get in early and get out before it collapses.
Get in too late and you're stuck. Sucks to be you.
Get out too late and you're in the unemployment line. Sucks to be you.
I guess the other trick is to figure out which airlines are a Pyramid scheme?
Get in too late and you're stuck. Sucks to be you.
Get out too late and you're in the unemployment line. Sucks to be you.
I guess the other trick is to figure out which airlines are a Pyramid scheme?
Stick that metaphor in your hat and smmmmoke it!
#35
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Projecting my values may not achieve solidarity, but it does kill time on the internet. I wish pilots were more unified, human nature not withstanding. I also like to bang back against the concept of good and bad regionals. I think we need to understand what has been lost in this profession and try to regain some of it instead of jabbing at each other over who's more bit-chen because they get 1-2 more days off a month and $2-3 more a flight hour. Instead of wasting energy trying to feel superior to pilots at "bad regionals" we should invest energy in ways to work together.
Are unions to blame when companies fail? The current state of our auto industry is a result of poor planning and decision-making on the part of the heads of these businesses. I'm sure someone smart enough to run a huge company like GM is smart enough to negotiate with a union.
We would be treated a lot differently if the NLRA did not require so much time and place so many barriers before a strike. In your example, if COA struck tomorrow, the industry might be okay, but COA would sure be motivated to bargain in good faith and reach a mutually satisfactory deal with its pilots.
The NLRA should be changed so that union pilots can more effectively bargain. Pilots need to stop competing against each other to see who can work the most and earn the least. The balance of power needs to shift back toward unions enough that companies are forced to reasonably price goods and services so that living wages and benefits are paid.
The Dash Whisperer
I would tend to disagree, every person has the right to work where they want and projecting your values on other pilots won't accomplish your goal of industry-wide unity.
Strong unions rarely exist in such cut-throat industries and when they do, eventually they can put incredibly financial strain on their company by preventing them from providing a competitively priced product (GM, Ford, etc).
Longshoreman and the like derive their power from the fact that if they don't work, nobody else can fill in for them....if Continental struck tomorrow, the industry as a whole would continue to function.
The NLRA should be changed so that union pilots can more effectively bargain. Pilots need to stop competing against each other to see who can work the most and earn the least. The balance of power needs to shift back toward unions enough that companies are forced to reasonably price goods and services so that living wages and benefits are paid.
The Dash Whisperer
#36
I've smoked quite enough of Comair's crap for the last 7 years.
#37
Actually I'd be hard pressed to think of anything Comair has that anyone would want, unless it's to learn how grumpy 15,000-hour Captains fly planes.
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