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plasticpi 01-31-2010 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by CAPIP1998 (Post 754824)
I know you mean well and you're just trying to give out some good advice, but you should know that what you're telling people is not completely accurate. I've been reading this thread (all three) with some interest and I want to clarify what appears to be some misconceptions. The union has been working extremely hard over the past 8 months to revamp the way our pilots bid upon and are awarded vacancies, and we've had a lot of success. While it is important to the Company to keep training costs down, the availability of any position is driven entirely by seniority, and any transition or upgrade will only have a one year seat lock (which can be waived by the company). The only prohibited moves are from CA to FO and from the Q CA to SF3 CA (still being worked on). It is possible that we can create a more open structure under our new contract, but this is what we have currently. Also, ALL positions are available to be bid upon and awarded prior to any new hire being allowed to bid for those positions. In fact, the final list of moves will be published tomorrow and the list of available new hire positions will be fixed for the next 5 months or so. Again, I'm only trying to clear up some misconceptions, I'm not trying to give any advice or opinion.

Thank you.

No, what you just described is EXACTLY what I am telling the interviewees. That if you get hired into a seat, you may be locked there for a year, maybe not. So if you wanted a Q FO position, but got the Saab, you should be ready to stay there for a year. Maybe you will, maybe you won't, but the company doesn't have to give you the transition. That's all I was trying to say.

brewpilot, I hadn't seen that in the awards, but that's interesting. Could this not be because the effective date of the award is after their year seat lock is up? Hard to say because the effective dates of these awards are as of yet a mystery to us. Maybe management is showing some preference to seniority after all. But, honestly, I'm more likely to blame it on an oversight than that.

ChipChelios 01-31-2010 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by nwa757 (Post 754853)
Before you apply at Colgan, watch this please:


FRONTLINE: Coming Soon - Flying Cheap | PBS

It's spot on, we all know that. I am glad to see this company gaining more negative media coverage. Spread the word.


I wonder if all that was during the Pre-Pinacle Era. I have been with the company over a year and never experienced any of that.

JoeyMeatballs 01-31-2010 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by ChipChelios (Post 754989)
I wonder if all that was during the Pre-Pinacle Era. I have been with the company over a year and never experienced any of that.


the last minute of the interview is the Colgan I knew when I was there, dunno how much has changed. I do remember my Captain having to call the VP of ops to get a hotel room, and he told us the MHT hanger would suffice..........oh the memories

ChipChelios 01-31-2010 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 754995)
the last minute of the interview is the Colgan I knew when I was there, dunno how much has changed. I do remember my Captain having to call the VP of ops to get a hotel room, and he told us the MHT hanger would suffice..........oh the memories

Wow, that stuff wouldn't fly these days! I don't know about the back country outstations though. Seems like the Beech 1900 folks from back in the day were treated like Part 135 freight dogs!

plasticpi 01-31-2010 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by ChipChelios (Post 754989)
I wonder if all that was during the Pre-Pinacle Era. I have been with the company over a year and never experienced any of that.

I don't see that happening today, either. I saw some of it "trying" to happen around the time I started 3 years ago, but in all the cases I saw, the captain won the disagreement without reprimand. It's really hard to argue with safety, and any captain worth his or her salt will do what's right, regardless of what the company says. (Within reason, of course.) After all, that's your job as a captain. If you're taking flights you don't feel are safe, that's not very "in command" now, is it?

frmrdashtrash 01-31-2010 05:07 PM

How much luck would an NJA furloughee have in getting an interview there? Most of us haven't gotten any bites.

donkedPilot 01-31-2010 05:46 PM

for you guys who are getting calls/ interviews/ pee cups: how much time do you have? prior experience? just wondering what is competitive

almost 1000tt/ almost 100me/ wondering if i should apply when i get it

Jamers 01-31-2010 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by donkedPilot (Post 755390)
for you guys who are getting calls/ interviews/ pee cups: how much time do you have? prior experience? just wondering what is competitive

almost 1000tt/ almost 100me/ wondering if i should apply when i get it

If that's you in your avatar, I'll give you an internal rec.

donkedPilot 01-31-2010 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 755394)
If that's you in your avatar, I'll give you an internal rec.

I cannot tell a lie. My new years resolution was to quit letting that happen...

IlliniPilot99 01-31-2010 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by donkedPilot (Post 755410)
I cannot tell a lie. My new years resolution was to quit letting that happen...

haha classic...

can't hurt to apply...im just short of multi but plan on getting it by mid feb...then i have a couple of internal recs

davispm1 01-31-2010 06:29 PM

What Colgan said
 
I had a friend get turned down from Colgan saying his experience was too heavy for them. Wonder what that means??????!!!!!!!

donkedPilot 01-31-2010 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by davispm1 (Post 755425)
I had a friend get turned down from Colgan saying his experience was too heavy for them. Wonder what that means??????!!!!!!!

They probably think he might jump ship as soon as he gets a different/better offer.... If i was in the HR business, I'd rather hire some eager newbyte also, who'd more likely stick it out for years to come. return on investment

etflies 01-31-2010 06:51 PM

It sounds like they're firm on the 1000/100 mins, so if you don't have it you probably won't get the call but you never know unless you try. The worst they can do is say come back when you have the mins. As far as having too much time, I'm not sure but I know there is a general target they are going for at ~1500/200 give or take a bit. I'm sure they'd love to hire people with prior turbine/121 but they know you'd probably leave asap like donkedpilot said.

davispm1 01-31-2010 06:59 PM

What Colgan said
 
I understand about jumping ship and all but what about safety and experience of pilots??? That should be the main issue, he could have brought good knowledge in but its a catch 22 with companies and pilots these days, the bottom line is its always about the mighty dollar...

bakesou 01-31-2010 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by davispm1 (Post 755450)
I understand about jumping ship and all but what about safety and experience of pilots??? That should be the main issue, he could have brought good knowledge in but its a catch 22 with companies and pilots these days, the bottom line is its always about the mighty dollar...

Colgan could give 2 ****'* about safety and experienced pilots.

jdalbrec 02-01-2010 04:04 AM

anyone interview this past weekend?

bradeku1008 02-01-2010 06:08 AM

Well the waiting by the phone begins again. I think Sara and Chuck told us that they would call us today to make things official for the first class.

bradeku1008 02-01-2010 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by donkedPilot (Post 755390)
for you guys who are getting calls/ interviews/ pee cups: how much time do you have? prior experience? just wondering what is competitive

almost 1000tt/ almost 100me/ wondering if i should apply when i get it

Almost 2000TT. Mostly CFI but have about 60 hrs turbine flying part 91 corporate. They are firm on the 1000/100 so once you have it apply and see what happens.

FSUpilot 02-01-2010 06:44 AM

just got an email saying my times were a little light for the next interviews but he was motioning it through.. (1440 TT 103ME, 1133 turbine (part 135), and a walkin). Seems a little vague and I wasnt really sure what it meant. any ideas? I'm trying to stay positive. It kinda seems its going to the bottom of the pile. Better response than last time though.

BobofAR 02-01-2010 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by FSUpilot (Post 755657)
just got an email saying my times were a little light for the next interviews but he was motioning it through.. (1440 TT 103ME, 1133 turbine (part 135), and a walkin). Seems a little vague and I wasnt really sure what it meant. any ideas? I'm trying to stay positive. It kinda seems its going to the bottom of the pile. Better response than last time though.

Because you had someone walk a recommendation in for you he is putting it through. He was saying your Multi time is very light compared to other applicants.

mwa1 02-01-2010 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by davispm1 (Post 755425)
I had a friend get turned down from Colgan saying his experience was too heavy for them. Wonder what that means??????!!!!!!!

that you prefer large women and they need to hire small ones for weight and balance purposes. sorry, couldn't resist!

etflies 02-01-2010 11:47 AM

Just got the call for class on the 16th. Congrats to everyone who will be there and good luck to those interviewing/wanting to go!

IlliniPilot99 02-01-2010 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by etflies (Post 755884)
Just got the call for class on the 16th. Congrats to everyone who will be there and good luck to those interviewing/wanting to go!


congrats


hopefully ill be in that position in a couple months... (after an interview and such...if i get one)

jayray2 02-01-2010 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by etflies (Post 755884)
Just got the call for class on the 16th. Congrats to everyone who will be there and good luck to those interviewing/wanting to go!

Report back to us in 1 year and tell us if you made the right decision.

AirWillie 02-01-2010 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 755888)
Report back to us in 1 year and tell is if you made the right decision.

More like 5 months.

NightIP 02-01-2010 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by NoStep (Post 752930)
Maybe ya'll could just start a thread to bash all "bottom-feeding" regionals and have a good ole time hammering Mesa, Gojet, Great Lakes, Cape Air, etc.

Did you seriously just lump Cape Air among a group of bottom-feeders?

You guys have a lot to learn.

:rolleyes:

brewpilot 02-01-2010 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 755888)
Report back to us in 1 year and tell is if you made the right decision.

I've been here for 2 years and I'm not regreting it. Were growing, getting a contract together. This place isn't gonna be the way it was years ago. But congrats for those who got the job!!!

brewpilot 02-01-2010 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 755931)
More like 5 months.

I figured you wouldn't even have to go to training to feel if you made the right desicion for your airline. Not going there is the right desicion. LOL good ol' GoJets!! :rolleyes:

JoeyMeatballs 02-01-2010 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 755939)
Did you seriously just lump Cape Air among a group of bottom-feeders?

You guys have a lot to learn.

:rolleyes:

What he said :)

outofwork 02-01-2010 02:02 PM

Anyone else hear anything? What did they say??

bradeku1008 02-01-2010 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by outofwork (Post 755962)
Anyone else hear anything? What did they say??

Yea, I got the call too. Didn't really say much just have our ATP written and our first class medical done by the time class rolls around. Already have both done so im just going to sit back and relax until the 16th.

RPCV 02-01-2010 06:06 PM

How long has it taken from the time you submit your airlineapps and email the [email protected] address, to the time you receive the call/email about setting up an interview? It seems like it takes several weeks over at Eagle.

BobofAR 02-01-2010 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by RPCV (Post 756080)
How long has it taken from the time you submit your airlineapps and email the [email protected] address, to the time you receive the call/email about setting up an interview? It seems like it takes several weeks over at Eagle.

It was same day service for me.

To the other's who have answered some of my questions... I talked with Chuck today, and sounds like I will have a good chance of getting to interview for the next round. I sent my mom's discharge papers, and he was very nice about it all. Seems like a very personable guy.

Bob

RPCV 02-01-2010 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by BobofAR (Post 756085)
It was same day service for me.

Argh....not for me. Sent my stuff in today. Maybe they were busy handing out job offers.

BobofAR 02-01-2010 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by RPCV (Post 756104)
Argh....not for me. Sent my stuff in today. Maybe they were busy handing out job offers.

When I e-mailed Chuck earlier today, he said Sara was getting ready for the next round of interviews.... That is most likely why you didn't get the call.

I had applied with Colgan late last year - just an e-mail application. Chuck sent me an e-mail back then saying they would contact me later with information. So if I really look at the entire thing, it really was about 3 months. They sent me an e-mail on a Friday asking me to update my airlineapps information. I did that, and they replied back (within about 20 minutes) that they would review my information. They sent me a phone number on the next day, but that was the same day we had to rush my mom to the hospital.

Right now, they are not as rushed as they were then. They were trying to set up interviews within a matter of days. This time they have a couple weeks to review and organize things. I'm thinking that it may be towards the end of this month before they start interviews again, or.... I'm just thinking out loud here, but they may interview as the first class approaching the half way mark.

Bob

yamahas3 02-01-2010 08:14 PM

All you who are interested in working at Colgan, please pay attention to the hearing tomorrow and really think about what they say about how this place operates. Its not doom and gloom or anything, they're going to tell it how it is and it would behoove you to look at it from a very level headed perspective, not rose colored glasses, and really make sure this is the place you want to be.

brewpilot 02-01-2010 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by yamahas3 (Post 756170)
All you who are interested in working at Colgan, please pay attention to the hearing tomorrow and really think about what they say about how this place operates. Its not doom and gloom or anything, they're going to tell it how it is and it would behoove you to look at it from a very level headed perspective, not rose colored glasses, and really make sure this is the place you want to be.

Ok thats two people that worked here. I know that things could be better, thats for every airline. I know we get paid crap but Im sure that will change eventually. Theres still 437 pilots here that deal with it. The way you make it seem is like we are all horrible pilots and we arent good enough to have lives sitting behind us. Remember all pilots got the same ratings before going to 121. Then you can say low timers work for Colgan... Not just colgan, every other regional hired low guys! Everyone. And the Frontline isnt just pointing at Colgan. Its talking about the regionals as a whole.

yamahas3 02-01-2010 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by brewpilot (Post 756181)
Ok thats two people that worked here. I know that things could be better, thats for every airline. I know we get paid crap but Im sure that will change eventually. Theres still 437 pilots here that deal with it. The way you make it seem is like we are all horrible pilots and we arent good enough to have lives sitting behind us. Remember all pilots got the same ratings before going to 121. Then you can say low timers work for Colgan... Not just colgan, every other regional hired low guys! Everyone. And the Frontline isnt just pointing at Colgan. Its talking about the regionals as a whole.

I'm not talking about the pilots in the crash only. I'm talking about the inevitable endless discussion that is going to occur about the safety, training, quality of management, quality of life, low pay, lack of rest, and overall type of operation you'd be walking into as a newhire.

All of this, btw, is not going to be coming from crewroom rumor, angry pilots, or message boards.... its going to be coming from the National Transportation Safety Board.

The quality of this airline is not the fault of the pilots who work there, but it is not an environment that one should blindly choose to enter... you really have to take an objective look at all of the information, good and especially bad.

jdalbrec 02-02-2010 03:30 AM

got the call yesterday for the class on the 16th. congrats to everyone else who got it!

IlliniPilot99 02-02-2010 01:39 PM

anyone else get a call to interview...and how many interviews do they have lined up to go?

how many in the class on the 16th?

yeah im bored...


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