QCappy

Common now, were getting 13! They just exercised one option! That's a lot more than the 12 you stated. Let the upgrades roll

Pilot41

I have no first hand knowlege of GoJet, but Mesa has the history. Not even close.

BoilerUP

GoJet was formed as an alter-ego of Trans States Airlines. TSA is furloughing pilots and parking airplanes while GoJet is hiring and gaining airplanes, flying many of the same United routes TSA used to fly.

People can bash Mesa all you want, but Mesa took their crappy contract to scope alter-ego Freedom. Freedom A listers are just as bad as GayJet pilots.

You are right, the comparison is not even close - GoJet is much worse.

Pilot41

As I understand (I have never worked for either, and have no plans to due so anytime in the future) it TSA pilot had the opportunity to avoid all of this. As I understand it TSA rejected the opportunity to have one seniority list for both carriers. It would have resulted in a 3 year contract extension, not good but maybe better than what you have now. The real problem as I see it, and this is from an outsider looking in, is that TSA pilots were negotiating from a point of weakness. The reality is in the current economic environment one needs to pick their battles, the facts are with thousands of pilots on the street pilot groups have very little negotiating power. It seems to me that there was zero hope of stopping GoJet from coming into being, TSA pilots had little power to do anything about it, and so what was the ultimate goal? My personal opinion is TSA guys are getting screwed; however they should have realized they were dealing from a position of weakness not strength. Again this is a prospective of someone on the outside looking in, which is always different from being on the inside. I do know from personal experience that ALPA has a history of handing out bad advice to its membership. I hope TSA flight crews ultimately get this resolved, they deserve a lot better than they have gotten over the years.

C175

TSA guys could have been more proactive and resolved this a year ago. Now it snowballed because of their tenacity

G-Dog

Pilot41 may have said it best. TSA guys may have never had a chance. Looking from the outside does make appear that way. I have also heard that the TSA guys had their chance to take Go Jet.

Sometimes you have to take the lesser of two evils. Really, who is the lesser of two evils?

BoilerUP

What? Do you even know what you are talking about?

TSA pilots stood firm and rejected a crappy contract extention that would have made their already poor contract even worse, allowing furlough by fleet not seniority, providing furlough protection to the GoJet pilots already on property while allowing the company to furlough J-41 crews as their planes are parked.

How would you have felt if Heller had integrated all the S5 Saab guys at their DOH? You'd probably be pretty ****ed off, and your union did the right thing. To fault TSA pilots for declining an industry-worst contract is foolish at best.

TSA pilots never had a fair shot at securing this flying, despite what any GoJet pilot or TSA manager might say.