That's why you just have pay rates for the airplanes you currently have or plan to have in the immediate future. Just setting blanket rates with seats can really open you up to anything.

Thanks Waldo, it was a pleasure working with you (and all the Lynx guys) while it lasted. I'm glad you were able to move on before this came down. Hawker...when/if we do get recalled, my guess is it will be for whatever aircraft has vacancies and you will have to bid for what bases are available in class.

I agree with you both...I really never wanted anything to do with RAH and Denver was about as far as I was willing to commute for a regional. Unless something amazing happens with the SLI (highly doubtful), I most likely won't bother accepting the recall (if it comes) as I'd rather wait for something better.

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You are Aware that Lynx Captains fly a 70 seat airplane for less than RAH's 37 seat rate....Why make this so personal, I'm embarrassed to be a pilot when I look on this forum because pilots seem like such whiny b#$%'s. It's freakin business. Mainline pilots who were too good to fly small planes 30 years ago started this mess and young pilots trying to find a reasonable job are now blamed for it, whine about that.

If RAH's 2003 CBA was negotiated after Mesa's 2003 CBA, wasn't XJT's 2004 CBA also negotiated after Mesa? And speaking of negotiating under a looming threat of an alter ego airline, Mesa actually negotiated that "abortion" 2003 CBA while fighting an alter ego airline rather than just the threat of one. Also, the exclusivity of being CAL's jet operator was still under the old CPA that allowed CAL to do what they did XJT, in other words, there wasn't much leverage of being CAL's exlucisive jet operator because all the traps of the old CPA were known at the time. Lastly, the XJT contract extension pay rates never materialized since the concessions took place before the pay raises kicked in, which were negotiated under great uncertainty for the company, by the way.

I actually think that this is opposite of having forethought. You never want to give away leverage like this. Forethought would have been getting language in the contract that says if the company acquires a new type, there is a time limit to negotiate pay rates for said aircraft or otherwise it goes to binding arbitration. I know others like SKW has pay rates for larger aircraft (that was another part of the deal they wanted with XJT, a negotiated pay rate for larger aircraft even though there were no current plans for them) because there is not as much pressure on the company as opposed to the aircraft being delivered and sitting somewhere while the union and company negotiate for a proper pay rate.

Its very shortsighted to negotiate these types of things ahead of time.

Awesome 1st post!! (clap, clap)
If these forums embarass your obviously pious feelers, there are other venues.
Since you're new here, alot of pilots treat this forum like the crew lounge, where they can get info, rumors, blow off steam, b.s., etc.

The people running some regionals now, (Rev BB, J.O., Hulas, to name a few) saw Frank Lorenzo as a role model instead of Herb Kelliher and it's hard to NOT take things personally when your livelihood hangs in the balance. You do understand that, right? Ya, it's "freakin' business", and alot of crews are getting "freak"-ed by Republic.

btw,
Mainline pilots DID fly small planes 30 years ago, (new-hires at Pan Am started in small aircraft and worked up to the panel on the 727) Also, when the regional jet arrived, those mainline pilots you refer to wanted them flown for mainline rates, but the companies wanted no part of that! They gave up scope for promises that were broken before the ink dried on the paperwork. But, hey...it's "freakin' business"!!

I wasn't to good to fly worn out Turbo Props and pistons twins 30 years ago. I flew for thousands of hours in them to build time and experience where I could get a job flying bigger and better equipment. Up until the mid 90's, you had to have around 5,000 hours to even be considered for a National or Major. Twenty years later, a regional run by a complete and total scumbag, buys my company, guts it, and locks me out of a job and replaces me with willing minions who undercut not just me, but the entire industry. Oh well, back to filling for unemployment.

Ok, so what do you have to say about Lynx pay rates compared to RAH?

They ( mainline pilots) gave up scope for more $$$. Greed let the first contract carrier get it's foot in the door. People want to go around and blame people for not being unified when that unity was broken for more $$$, I guess thats their freakin business though.

We were told that the pay rates were on paper only and would change to Horizon Q400 rates when certification was complete, never happened.

When FAH filed chapter 11, everyone at F9/L4 took pay cuts, we now were the lowest paid Q400 pilots in the world.

We were told that upon exiting bankruptcy we would get our pay restored, BB put an end to that when RAH took over, thanks.

Without a pilot contract, they could have told you anything and it wouldn't have meant much.